[MD] pragmatic

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On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>> [Ron in response to Marsha's claim of the hypothetical being her truth]:
>> Rhetorically, saying that ALL static patterns are hypothetical (supposed but not necessarily real or true.) is nothing short of provokation. It turns truth (pragmatic good) into a supposition when Pirsig clearly states that it is the most empirically real as any truth can be, the immediate NOW of experience.
>>
>> Exactly how can the immediate NOW experience be a supposition when it is the most real and true experience there is?
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[Marsha in response]:
> I don't think of the NOW experience as being a 'supposition'.  I don't think of the NOW experience being 'real' or 'true' either.  It is only afterwards such an experience is assigned an analogous descriptor.

Mark:
This is interesting.  As I understand Marsha, reality is only created
in hindsight.  This could indeed be the truth from which Marsha speaks
(unless she is lying in order to be "provocative").  I suppose it all
depends on how Marsha is using "truth".  She speaks from the position
of truth, for that is where we all come from.  Even if we feel that
everything is a lie, that is a position of truth.  If indeed the
existence of reality is only proclaimed with words, this seems to me
to be contrary to what MOQ states.  Here again, this concept is
reality for Marsha, for reality is where we come from.

If I were to look through a window and see a view, would I then
question the window I am looking through in terms of the view I see?
It seems that such a thing would simply result in a paradox.  It takes
a viewpoint to make a proclamation.  Such a proclamation should not
short-circuit by questioning the the viewpoint itself, or else the
proclamation itself is nonsensical.  If we suppose that where we start
comes from what we consider to be true, then we can expand from there
and become creative.  If instead, we claim that such truth is only
demonstrated in hindsight, then where do we begin?  The very statement
becomes suspect because it must wait until after it is made to claim
that it is true.  It destroys all sense of creativity.  It is like
puncturing one's tires before going for a drive.

We come from a place that we know.  This place is the beginning of
what follows.  We come from that place called Quality.  There is
nothing behind or beyond it which creates this place.  It is a
starting point.  We can question it all we want, but we have to first
"be" in order to question.  I am, therefore I think.  What I am is
Quality, which then forms all things.  This I hold to be true, and
from that I can begin.

Mark

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