[MD] a flimsy canopy of patterns

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi MarshaV,

When describing existence 'analogy' is not a verifiable metaphysical term of
individuality DQ/SQ.

Joe


On 12/23/12 11:08 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> Analogy!!!    
> 
>  
> Marsha. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 23, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha,
>> 
>> Existence is prior to value?  I accept DQ/SQ in existence.  The question
>> raised: How can I experience the indefinable?  I posit DQ without SQ in
>> metaphysical terms and it seems that the unity of existence is compromised
>> by a definition viewing definable/indefinable levels in existence.
>> 
>> In physical terms the boundaries of existence are blurred.  Existence seems
>> to be flexible e.g., snow and water.  Does that indicate that evolution
>> involves a metaphysical discussion of levels in existence?
>> 
>> Value is a relationship.  MOQ speaks differently of value in
>> indefinable/definable terms for quality reality instead of SOM duality in
>> Existence!
>> 
>> Joe 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/23/12 12:35 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your humble opinion, and thank you for the opportunity to fix
>>> my
>>> statement:    
>>> 
>>> The metaphysical system that I accept is that the world is nothing but Value
>>> which can be experienced as patterned (static) and unpatterned (Dynamic).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi MarshaV,
>>>> 
>>>> IMHO you are equating value and existence.  How is existential DQ different
>>>> from existential SQ?  Definition!  Can the definition of a DQ/SQ
>>>> metaphysics
>>>> encompass reality?
>>>> 
>>>> IMHO something is omited by definition  Indefinable DQ!  The awareness of
>>>> DQ
>>>> is indefinable.  I call an aspect of awareness indefinable?  How is
>>>> awareness different from a knowing which embraces indefinable DQ/SQ?
>>>> 
>>>> My answer is that I experience the indefinable.  Tie individual,
>>>> experience,
>>>> and reality together.  DQ/SQ.  There are levels in existence!
>>>> 
>>>> Joe     
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/22/12 5:52 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The metaphysical system that I accept is that the world is nothing but
>>>>> Value
>>>>> which can be experienced as patterned (Static) and unpatterned (Dynamic).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi MarshaV and All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This statement requires a very careful exposition.  Life manifests
>>>>>> Dynamic
>>>>>> Quality.  The metaphysics leading to the self, perceiving death, like
>>>>>> heroism, can be horribly misled.  The question of behavior in a
>>>>>> dynamic/static environment must look at death as static, nothing will
>>>>>> change. All heroic dynamic decisions will be negated to the individual in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lack of existence.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How in the hell did I ever get on this tangent?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/20/12 12:24 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "To the extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of
>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>> it is without choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic
>>>>>>> Quality,
>>>>>>> which is undefinable, one's behavior is free."
>>>>>> 
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