[MD] First Division 2.0

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Hi Marsha,
Interesting that you would present this quote, which of course needs
to be put in context, otherwise it is just a verse from a book.  But I
am proud of you.

I am not sure who gets fooled except the philosopher.  So, "all" is
not really appropriate, unless you think that it must be.  Most people
realize that Lila is just a name representing something else, as is
Marsha.  Yes, what Lila represents is not any body.  It is the essence
being represented, and this is something completely understood within
Christianity.  It is interesting that you are tending towards a
religious mind set here, Marsha.  Although I am sure you would prefer
to disguise it in some conceptual atheistic format.  Perhaps you are
coming around, as it would seem by your affinity to this quote.  Lila
is a representational label, and as such it does exist as a "thing".
However as a label it is indeed a "body".  So, one must not confuse
these things, which is of course Pirsig's thesis.  Pirsig also
presents that Lila is insane, so the label also represents insanity as
he interprets it.  Insanity is of course no thing, but a view as seen
from the outside.  If one is taught that he/she is "insane", it means
that there is a "true" way of seeing things.  You and I know that this
is nonsense, for Buddha could be said to be "insane" by Western
mindset.

I am glad you reread this quote and found it worthy to present to us
as your progress towards understanding of MoQ.  It is also important
to note that this is presented in Chapter 14, for it needs to be
supported to have meaning.  Keep up the good work.  If there are any
other quotes which show your progress, please let us in on your
development.

Who hates Lila?  Who are these people that are Atheists?  Of course
there is something beyond earthly flesh.  So, as I said, context is
important, and any quote does not stand on its own as "the Word of
God".  This is what you are realizing with your sharing of something
you find important.  Good for you, Marsha.

But let us not get too far from reality, else wise one only lives in
the conceptual world, which, as you say, Buddhism balances with
rituals which strengthen the non-intellectual.  One cannot live in sq
alone, it is impossible, unless one is a robot, or "asleep".  Buddhism
states that the intellectual is essential, as in Right Thought or
View, but is supported by right Action.  Which I am sure you
appreciate.  Don't become yet another philosopher who has lost touch
with reality.  Empiricism is supposed to provide a connection.  DQ
reveals such connection.  The only thing separating us from DQ is our
conscious separation from it.  Once we realize that such a thing is a
fabrication, all is well.  Not to say that sq is not a wonderful
achievement of man, for indeed it is.  How else could we read about
Buddhism, or MoQ for that matter?

There is a lot of good Christian literature which supports the quote
you presented.  Happy reading, if you are so bold as to release
yourself from the conceptual.  It is a relationship with what is, not
something representing such.

Cheers,
Mark

On 2/24/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> "But they all get fooled because there's nothing to destroy but what's in
> their own mind.  And so they destroy that and then they hate what's left and
> they call what's left, "Lila," and they hate Lila.  But Lila isn't anybody.
> That's true. You don't believe it, but it's true."
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>                (LILA, Chapter 14)
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