[MD] First Division 2.0

[MarshaV]

Mark, 

For every word I post, you post a dozen, how are your posts not conceptual?  


Marsha


On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:46 PM, 118 wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> Interesting that you would present this quote, which of course needs
> to be put in context, otherwise it is just a verse from a book.  But I
> am proud of you.
> 
> I am not sure who gets fooled except the philosopher.  So, "all" is
> not really appropriate, unless you think that it must be.  Most people
> realize that Lila is just a name representing something else, as is
> Marsha.  Yes, what Lila represents is not any body.  It is the essence
> being represented, and this is something completely understood within
> Christianity.  It is interesting that you are tending towards a
> religious mind set here, Marsha.  Although I am sure you would prefer
> to disguise it in some conceptual atheistic format.  Perhaps you are
> coming around, as it would seem by your affinity to this quote.  Lila
> is a representational label, and as such it does exist as a "thing".
> However as a label it is indeed a "body".  So, one must not confuse
> these things, which is of course Pirsig's thesis.  Pirsig also
> presents that Lila is insane, so the label also represents insanity as
> he interprets it.  Insanity is of course no thing, but a view as seen
> from the outside.  If one is taught that he/she is "insane", it means
> that there is a "true" way of seeing things.  You and I know that this
> is nonsense, for Buddha could be said to be "insane" by Western
> mindset.
> 
> I am glad you reread this quote and found it worthy to present to us
> as your progress towards understanding of MoQ.  It is also important
> to note that this is presented in Chapter 14, for it needs to be
> supported to have meaning.  Keep up the good work.  If there are any
> other quotes which show your progress, please let us in on your
> development.
> 
> Who hates Lila?  Who are these people that are Atheists?  Of course
> there is something beyond earthly flesh.  So, as I said, context is
> important, and any quote does not stand on its own as "the Word of
> God".  This is what you are realizing with your sharing of something
> you find important.  Good for you, Marsha.
> 
> But let us not get too far from reality, else wise one only lives in
> the conceptual world, which, as you say, Buddhism balances with
> rituals which strengthen the non-intellectual.  One cannot live in sq
> alone, it is impossible, unless one is a robot, or "asleep".  Buddhism
> states that the intellectual is essential, as in Right Thought or
> View, but is supported by right Action.  Which I am sure you
> appreciate.  Don't become yet another philosopher who has lost touch
> with reality.  Empiricism is supposed to provide a connection.  DQ
> reveals such connection.  The only thing separating us from DQ is our
> conscious separation from it.  Once we realize that such a thing is a
> fabrication, all is well.  Not to say that sq is not a wonderful
> achievement of man, for indeed it is.  How else could we read about
> Buddhism, or MoQ for that matter?
> 
> There is a lot of good Christian literature which supports the quote
> you presented.  Happy reading, if you are so bold as to release
> yourself from the conceptual.  It is a relationship with what is, not
> something representing such.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On 2/24/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> "But they all get fooled because there's nothing to destroy but what's in
>> their own mind.  And so they destroy that and then they hate what's left and
>> they call what's left, "Lila," and they hate Lila.  But Lila isn't anybody.
>> That's true. You don't believe it, but it's true."
>> 
>> 
>>               (LILA, Chapter 14)
>> 
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