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Marsha,
They are, but what they describe is not.

Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark

On Feb 24, 2012, at 9:58 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> Mark, 
> 
> For every word I post, you post a dozen, how are your posts not conceptual?  
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:46 PM, 118 wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha,
>> Interesting that you would present this quote, which of course needs
>> to be put in context, otherwise it is just a verse from a book.  But I
>> am proud of you.
>> 
>> I am not sure who gets fooled except the philosopher.  So, "all" is
>> not really appropriate, unless you think that it must be.  Most people
>> realize that Lila is just a name representing something else, as is
>> Marsha.  Yes, what Lila represents is not any body.  It is the essence
>> being represented, and this is something completely understood within
>> Christianity.  It is interesting that you are tending towards a
>> religious mind set here, Marsha.  Although I am sure you would prefer
>> to disguise it in some conceptual atheistic format.  Perhaps you are
>> coming around, as it would seem by your affinity to this quote.  Lila
>> is a representational label, and as such it does exist as a "thing".
>> However as a label it is indeed a "body".  So, one must not confuse
>> these things, which is of course Pirsig's thesis.  Pirsig also
>> presents that Lila is insane, so the label also represents insanity as
>> he interprets it.  Insanity is of course no thing, but a view as seen
>> from the outside.  If one is taught that he/she is "insane", it means
>> that there is a "true" way of seeing things.  You and I know that this
>> is nonsense, for Buddha could be said to be "insane" by Western
>> mindset.
>> 
>> I am glad you reread this quote and found it worthy to present to us
>> as your progress towards understanding of MoQ.  It is also important
>> to note that this is presented in Chapter 14, for it needs to be
>> supported to have meaning.  Keep up the good work.  If there are any
>> other quotes which show your progress, please let us in on your
>> development.
>> 
>> Who hates Lila?  Who are these people that are Atheists?  Of course
>> there is something beyond earthly flesh.  So, as I said, context is
>> important, and any quote does not stand on its own as "the Word of
>> God".  This is what you are realizing with your sharing of something
>> you find important.  Good for you, Marsha.
>> 
>> But let us not get too far from reality, else wise one only lives in
>> the conceptual world, which, as you say, Buddhism balances with
>> rituals which strengthen the non-intellectual.  One cannot live in sq
>> alone, it is impossible, unless one is a robot, or "asleep".  Buddhism
>> states that the intellectual is essential, as in Right Thought or
>> View, but is supported by right Action.  Which I am sure you
>> appreciate.  Don't become yet another philosopher who has lost touch
>> with reality.  Empiricism is supposed to provide a connection.  DQ
>> reveals such connection.  The only thing separating us from DQ is our
>> conscious separation from it.  Once we realize that such a thing is a
>> fabrication, all is well.  Not to say that sq is not a wonderful
>> achievement of man, for indeed it is.  How else could we read about
>> Buddhism, or MoQ for that matter?
>> 
>> There is a lot of good Christian literature which supports the quote
>> you presented.  Happy reading, if you are so bold as to release
>> yourself from the conceptual.  It is a relationship with what is, not
>> something representing such.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On 2/24/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> "But they all get fooled because there's nothing to destroy but what's in
>>> their own mind.  And so they destroy that and then they hate what's left and
>>> they call what's left, "Lila," and they hate Lila.  But Lila isn't anybody.
>>> That's true. You don't believe it, but it's true."
>>> 
>>> 
>>>              (LILA, Chapter 14)
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