[MD] Dog Dishes and Direct Experience

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Mark and All,

Physics and Metaphysics!  Differentiated truth like conceptual evolution
accepts the indefinable as true as the definable.  Emotions are as true as
thoughts!  Metaphysics is necessary in conceptualizing the indefinable.  If
there is no view out through metaphysics reality remains indefinable.  Imho
this denies definable evolution.

Joe


On 1/3/12 10:41 AM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Matt,
> I agree which is why any metaphysics can not be considered relative.  It
> becomes defunct before one starts.  A metaphysics is something one operates
> within, not something one views from the "outside", for that "outside" is just
> another metaphysics.  Metaphysics is that from which there is no view out.
> 
> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
> Mark
> 
> On Dec 31, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Matt Kundert <pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> Matt said:
>> The quickest way, perhaps, to articulate the thought behind this is to
>> point at the unboundedness of Quality/DQ.
>> 
>> Joe said:
>> When I read the sentence below [above], I immediately thought of
>> conceptual reality and decided "unboundedness of Quality/DQ"
>> eviscerates metaphysics and throws me into a faith mode.  Evolution
>> as the format of intelligibility is a boundary of order or knowledge if
>> you prefer.
>> 
>> Matt:
>> Kinda' like I just responded to Mark, I don't think broadening the
>> notion of "faith" to such an extent is very useful for very long.  In this
>> case, I would say that the unboundedness of Quality/DQ eviscerates
>> _Platonic_ metaphysics, a particular conception of how reality works.
>> This particular conception, first given explicit and quasi-systematic
>> form by Plato, is the notion that whatever account of reality we
>> create can comprehensively circumscribe all of its temporal
>> manifestations.  (This is, essentially, omniscience, but it also includes
>> the quest for absolute certainty.)  Once one kicks the habit of thinking
>> that's a good way of thinking about one's account of reality, though, it
>> is unclear to me why account-giving (i.e. metaphysics) becomes
>> eviscerated or impossible or impotent, which is what such a
>> broadened notion of Faith seems to suggest.
>> 
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