[MD] Dog Dishes and Direct Experience

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Hi Joe,
There is nothing to view out to since metaphysics is the whole
enchilada.  Metaphysics is a discipline which presents "what is".  Is
there anything outside of "what is"?.  Even "what is not" is still
what is, just not.  What is outside the universe?  We could say an
alternate universe, but then both become "the universe".  The universe
is the sum total of everything, even nothing.  See what I mean?

Definitions are simply methods for conversation.  Most of our day goes
by undefined.  There is nothing mystical or magical about it, it
simply reflects the inefficiency of our language system.  What we can
conceptualize is a small segment of what we experience, which is a
small segment of what is.  That is why we can keep conceptualizing
until eternity and still not have finished.

Definitions are like a net; they try to surround, but they do not hold
water.  Try catching the ocean with a net; try capturing reality with
words; try to relax and not understand; enjoy the ride it is
unimaginable.

I agree that emotions and thoughts are the same thing ultimately, for
what is a thought?  If we do differentiate, then emotions become
thoughts and thoughts become emotions.  They could not interconvert
unless they were of the same "substance".  Same with DQ and sq.  Two
peas in the Quality pod.

Cheers,
Mark

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Mark and All,
>
> Physics and Metaphysics!  Differentiated truth like conceptual evolution
> accepts the indefinable as true as the definable.  Emotions are as true as
> thoughts!  Metaphysics is necessary in conceptualizing the indefinable.  If
> there is no view out through metaphysics reality remains indefinable.  Imho
> this denies definable evolution.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 1/3/12 10:41 AM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Matt,
>> I agree which is why any metaphysics can not be considered relative.  It
>> becomes defunct before one starts.  A metaphysics is something one operates
>> within, not something one views from the "outside", for that "outside" is just
>> another metaphysics.  Metaphysics is that from which there is no view out.
>>
>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>> Mark
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Matt Kundert <pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>> Matt said:
>>> The quickest way, perhaps, to articulate the thought behind this is to
>>> point at the unboundedness of Quality/DQ.
>>>
>>> Joe said:
>>> When I read the sentence below [above], I immediately thought of
>>> conceptual reality and decided "unboundedness of Quality/DQ"
>>> eviscerates metaphysics and throws me into a faith mode.  Evolution
>>> as the format of intelligibility is a boundary of order or knowledge if
>>> you prefer.
>>>
>>> Matt:
>>> Kinda' like I just responded to Mark, I don't think broadening the
>>> notion of "faith" to such an extent is very useful for very long.  In this
>>> case, I would say that the unboundedness of Quality/DQ eviscerates
>>> _Platonic_ metaphysics, a particular conception of how reality works.
>>> This particular conception, first given explicit and quasi-systematic
>>> form by Plato, is the notion that whatever account of reality we
>>> create can comprehensively circumscribe all of its temporal
>>> manifestations.  (This is, essentially, omniscience, but it also includes
>>> the quest for absolute certainty.)  Once one kicks the habit of thinking
>>> that's a good way of thinking about one's account of reality, though, it
>>> is unclear to me why account-giving (i.e. metaphysics) becomes
>>> eviscerated or impossible or impotent, which is what such a
>>> broadened notion of Faith seems to suggest.
>>>
>>> Matt
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