[MD] NYC

[MarshaV]

Mark,

I never mentioned being "one step removed from reality" in any case; you are projecting again.  There is experience(unpatterned/patterned).  I wrote:

As you well understand, I was stating that the direct perceptions from moseying down Broadway, rather than the second-hand conceptualizations gleaned from reading a book, are a more direct experience of New York City.

And:

"This direct perception of pure Dynamic Quality without any intellectual mediation is the same as the goal of Buddhism known as ‘awakening’ or ‘enlightenment’. (Pirsig, 1994)"
      (The MoQ Textbook)

Please note:  "without any intellectual mediation".  And I have no questions for you.  


Marsha



On Jan 3, 2012, at 6:51 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> It is all experience, nothing second-hand about it.  We create
> experience; experience is not sensed.  It cannot be second-hand if we
> are responsible for its generation.  What would it be second-hand to?
> Just because you involve more senses, does not make your NY any more
> direct of an experience.  It is still a creation of our minds.  Both
> examples of NY are second-hand constructions, if you want to use that
> terminology (even though it is somewhat nonsensical).  I do not see
> how you can be one step removed from reality in one case, and not in
> the other.
> 
> Remember, we do not hear sounds, we create sounds with our ears and
> brains.  We do not see color, we create color internally.  We do not
> have experiences, we create them. We can create an experience of NY by
> reading about it.  By the way, if you want to read a great book about
> NY, try Winter's Tale by Mark Helprin.  It will leave you with the
> smell, the sound, the sights, the touch, and the taste, all from one
> little fictional book.  You will have been more in NY than if you were
> there in person.  I recommend it!
> 
> I do not know how else to explain it any better.  Ask me a specific
> question and I will try to use your concepts to have you understand
> what I am trying to say.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 6:15 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> 'Reading about' is second-hand constructed experience of NYC, rather than the seeing, hearing, smelling, touching & tasting aspects of NYC directly.  But maybe you would like to explain "direct experience" as you are using the term.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>>