[MD] relative.

[MarshaV]

Mark,

Again, I am not going to discuss the term 'relativism'.  I can only state, as I have in the past, when it comes to 'relativism' I don't find the term 'relativism', philosophically speaking, to be a "dirty word" or a "term of abuse".".  I stated that in a reply to Steve.   None the less, there is nothing in the dictionary's (Philosophy) definition of 'relativism' ' (posted below) that indicates valuelessness or that prohibits assigning value.  

The quote from Anthony states that " truth is seen as relative in his system [MoQ]", and there is nothing in the dictionary's definition of 'relative' (posted below) that indicates that it is valueless or prohibits assigning value, either.  I interpret the MoQ to be ontologically indeterminate and epistemologically relative. 

Thanks, 

Marsha



On Jan 12, 2012, at 3:01 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marsha,
> As I said in a previous post, yes there is destructiveness.  Stop pretending to be so naive.  You know what relativism means (I hope).
> 
> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
> Mark
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 10:59 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Anthony writes:
>> “Intellectual values include truth, justice, freedom, democracy and, trial by jury. It’s worth noting that the MOQ follows a pragmatic notion of truth so truth is seen as relative in his system while Quality is seen as absolute.  In consequence, the truth is defined as the highest quality intellectual explanation at a given time.
>> 
>> RMP:
>> If the past is any guide to the future this explanation must be taken provisionally; as useful until something better comes along. One can then examine intellectual realities the same way he examines paintings of in an art gallery, not with an effort to find out which one is the ‘real’ painting, but simply to enjoy and keep those that are of value. There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the result our history and current patterns of values. (Pirsig, 1991, p.103)”
>> 
>> (McWatt,Anthony,MOQ Textbook)
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha: 
>> I don't think relativism, philosophically speaking, is a "dirty word" or a "term of abuse"." There is nothing in the dictionary's (Philosophy) definition of 'relativism' ' (posted below) or the dictionary's definition of 'relative' (posted below) that indicates either term to be valueless or prohibits assigning value.  And the quote from Anthony states that " truth is seen as relative in his system [MoQ]".  
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> relativism
>> 
>> noun (Philosophy) .
>> any theory holding that criteria of judgment are relative, varying with individuals and their environments.  
>> 
>> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relativism)  
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> relative 
>> 
>> noun
>> 1.   a person who is connected with another or others by blood or marriage.
>> 2.   something having, or standing in, some relation to something else.
>> 3.   something dependent upon external conditions for its specific nature, size, etc. ( opposed to absolute).
>> 4.   Grammar . a relative pronoun, adjective, or adverb.
>> 
>> adjective 
>> 5.   considered in relation to something else; comparative: the relative merits of democracy and monarchy.
>> 6.   existing or having its specific nature only by relation to something else; not absolute or independent: Happiness is relative.
>> 7.   having relation or connection.
>> 8.   having reference or regard; relevant; pertinent (usually followed by to ): to determine the facts relative to an accident.
>> 9.   correspondent; proportionate: Value is relative to demand.
>> 10. (of a term, name, etc.) depending for significance upon something else: “Better” is a relative term.
>> 
>> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relative)   
>> 
>> 
>> ---  
>> 
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