[MD] relative.

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Hi Marsha,
Yes, I realize this is your attitude make a statement and run.
Perhaps you just want to say this simply to be provocative, and then
not discuss it.  This is your "bull-horn" approach to this forum.  You
can show me otherwise, or perhaps say "I don't care what you think
(nah, nah, nah), it is a woman's perogative to be annoying".  However,
I will continue to challenge you whenever you bring this up, since
this is a discussion forum, not a platform for trying to convert
people through dogma,as you may think it is.  (Perhaps all good fun
for you, since this may be your MO).  If you want to guide MoQ in the
way you are suggesting, this will not be easy for you.  I am coming to
think there may not be much substance to what you are proposing.
(this is starting to sound like a discussion between you and dmb...)

Please explain how relativism is consistent with MoQ, since you say
that it is.  This is simply a discussion, not an attempt at one
upsmanship.  I am sure you have your reasons other than seeing the
word relative in a quote.  If you do not, then you do not need to
address this question until the next time you claim relativism, for I
will challenge your assertion.  These terms are more than just a
definition in a dictionary as you know.  If you do not know this, then
you are being simple-minded (which I know is not true since you have
and Agenda with your posts).

What is your Agenda with the term relative except to show that you
have read some quote somewhere?  Don't run and hide behind a
dictionary or some quotes or refuse to support your contention, you
are better than that.  Maybe you do not believe in Relativism and are
just doing this for some other reason.  Could that be?

Regards,
Mark

On 1/12/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Again, I am not going to discuss the term 'relativism'.  I can only state,
> as I have in the past, when it comes to 'relativism' I don't find the term
> 'relativism', philosophically speaking, to be a "dirty word" or a "term of
> abuse".".  I stated that in a reply to Steve.   None the less, there is
> nothing in the dictionary's (Philosophy) definition of 'relativism' '
> (posted below) that indicates valuelessness or that prohibits assigning
> value.
>
> The quote from Anthony states that " truth is seen as relative in his system
> [MoQ]", and there is nothing in the dictionary's definition of 'relative'
> (posted below) that indicates that it is valueless or prohibits assigning
> value, either.  I interpret the MoQ to be ontologically indeterminate and
> epistemologically relative.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2012, at 3:01 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marsha,
>> As I said in a previous post, yes there is destructiveness.  Stop
>> pretending to be so naive.  You know what relativism means (I hope).
>>
>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>> Mark
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 10:59 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Anthony writes:
>>> “Intellectual values include truth, justice, freedom, democracy and,
>>> trial by jury. It’s worth noting that the MOQ follows a pragmatic notion
>>> of truth so truth is seen as relative in his system while Quality is seen
>>> as absolute.  In consequence, the truth is defined as the highest quality
>>> intellectual explanation at a given time.
>>>
>>> RMP:
>>> If the past is any guide to the future this explanation must be taken
>>> provisionally; as useful until something better comes along. One can then
>>> examine intellectual realities the same way he examines paintings of in
>>> an art gallery, not with an effort to find out which one is the ‘real’
>>> painting, but simply to enjoy and keep those that are of value. There are
>>> many sets of intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some
>>> to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the
>>> result our history and current patterns of values. (Pirsig, 1991, p.103)”
>>>
>>> (McWatt,Anthony,MOQ Textbook)
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha:
>>> I don't think relativism, philosophically speaking, is a "dirty word" or
>>> a "term of abuse"." There is nothing in the dictionary's (Philosophy)
>>> definition of 'relativism' ' (posted below) or the dictionary's
>>> definition of 'relative' (posted below) that indicates either term to be
>>> valueless or prohibits assigning value.  And the quote from Anthony
>>> states that " truth is seen as relative in his system [MoQ]".
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> relativism
>>>
>>> noun (Philosophy) .
>>> any theory holding that criteria of judgment are relative, varying with
>>> individuals and their environments.
>>>
>>> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relativism)
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> relative
>>>
>>> noun
>>> 1.   a person who is connected with another or others by blood or
>>> marriage.
>>> 2.   something having, or standing in, some relation to something else.
>>> 3.   something dependent upon external conditions for its specific
>>> nature, size, etc. ( opposed to absolute).
>>> 4.   Grammar . a relative pronoun, adjective, or adverb.
>>>
>>> adjective
>>> 5.   considered in relation to something else; comparative: the relative
>>> merits of democracy and monarchy.
>>> 6.   existing or having its specific nature only by relation to something
>>> else; not absolute or independent: Happiness is relative.
>>> 7.   having relation or connection.
>>> 8.   having reference or regard; relevant; pertinent (usually followed by
>>> to ): to determine the facts relative to an accident.
>>> 9.   correspondent; proportionate: Value is relative to demand.
>>> 10. (of a term, name, etc.) depending for significance upon something
>>> else: “Better” is a relative term.
>>>
>>> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relative)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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