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Hi dmb,

I agree with the Pirsig quote.  When rock climbing, I secure myself at
various stages to the cliff so that if I fall, I do not fall too far
and can then resume my climb.  Where I secure myself is very static (I
always hope).  If we want to use the concept of patterns, we can say
that each pattern is stable, but new patterns are born all the time,
often with a previous pattern as a template.  Of course this "birth"
can happen at very short time scales, or last for a while (as in the
levels).  This would be similar in notion to a quantum universe which
progresses is discreet steps rather than in an analogue-like way.

This process of death and rebirth, is dynamic quality.  Again, to
analogize, the positions which I secure myself to a cliff as I go up
are static qualities, while my climbing is DQ (please, do not take
this literally, group).  Interesting that this concept of continual
rebirth throughout the day is one branch in Buddhist thought.

Having said that, the statement that static quality changes could
encompass this quantum aspect, if this is what is meant.

Cheers,
Mark

My opinions are not meant to be construed as "what Pirsig said".

On 1/19/12, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ian said to dmb:
> I don't find anything oxymoronic in Marsha pointing out that static patterns
> are themselves ever changing dynamically (evolving I would say).
>
>
> dmb says:
>
> If you can't grasp difference between stability and constant change, then
> you have no business discussing anything that requires precision of meaning.
>
>
> That was the reason and here is the evidence...
>
>
>
> RMP:
> "With the identification of static and Dynamic Quality as the fundamental
> division of the world, Phaedrus felt that some kind of goal had been
> reached. ..Life can't exist on Dynamic Quality alone. It has no staying
> power. To cling to Dynamic Quality alone apart from any static patterns is
> to cling to chaos." "...static patterns, nevertheless, provide a necessary
> stabilizing force to protect Dynamic progress from degeneration. Although
> Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this world in which we
> live, these patterns of static quality, the quality of order, preserve our
> world. Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other."
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