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[MarshaV]

Hi Joe,


On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:

> Hi Marsha;
> 
> Until Pirsig came on the scene, It was accepted that the knower and the
> known were separate.  I am not what I know I only act that way.

Not quite.  Have you forgotten about Buddhism, and even Schopenhauer states
his 'Will' (not the normal definition) comes before the subject and the object.  I do 
believe RMP's Value/Quality makes for better understanding.  

It do believe all knowledge (and that would be static patterns) is dualistic creating 
a knower and the known.   


Marsha 


> With DQ/SQ as a metaphysical description of reality the knower experiences
> indefinable reality.  In knowledge experience is indefinable in being
> individualized and free will is conceptualized.
> 
> IMHO Consciousness is a level in evolution which has not been explored in
> discrete evolutionary terms since S/O does not have the range for evolution
> that DQ/SQ has in its conception of indefinable experience as knowable by
> the individual.  Reality!
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/19/12 3:10 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> Sooo, direct, or pure, experience of what?  Does the expression 'direct
>> experience' even make sense?  And can there be a separation between the
>> relationship between static patterns of value and consciousness (mind?,
>> intellect?, or-what?)?  
> 
> 


 
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