[MD] humpty dumpty

[David Harding]

To be precise - in the MOQ we start with Dynamic Quality which is undefined betterness and work from there.. 

On 26/07/2012, at 8:32 PM, MarshaV wrote:

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> So, it is okay to start with a social static pattern of value, or a biological static pattern of value, or inorganic static pattern of value, but definitely not an intellectual static pattern of value?  
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> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:58 AM, David Harding wrote:
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>> Yes, a belief can be seen as an intellectual pattern of value. So it's good to start with value first - and then define it intellectually.  That way we can 'take' an idea based on how good it is and not worry about which is the one 'true' idea.
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>> On 26/07/2012, at 7:37 PM, MarshaV wrote:
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>>> Greetings David,
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>>> Theoretically I am not going to disagree with you, but isn't 'belief' merely a static pattern of value: value? 
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>>> Marsha
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>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:02 AM, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Marsha,
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>>>> I think it's better in philosophy, rather than to start from beliefs, but to start from experience. Specifically our experience of value.   If we are willing to re-evaluate our 'beliefs' based on experience of value, then the beliefs or ideas which we 'take' would be those best suited to that particular situation.
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>>>> -David.
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>>>> On 26/07/2012, at 5:03 PM, MarshaV wrote:
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>>>>> When we tackle a philosophical problem, we have no choice but to start from our present beliefs; but in the course of "thinking on these things" we may reject some of our beliefs on the grounds that they conflict with others that we are not prepared to reject.  To give an example, we might start off with the belief that we have free will, but abandon it on grounds that it conflicts with certain of our scientific beliefs.  Or we might abandon the latter on the grounds that they conflict with our belief in free will.  Which direction we take depends on what?   
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