[MD] The hard question

[MarshaV]

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On Jun 2, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> 
> "The world comes to us in an endless stream of puzzle pieces that we would
> like to think all fit together some how, but that in fact never do.  There
> are always some pieces like platypi that don't fit and we can either ignore
> these pieces or we can give them silly explanations or we can take the whole
> puzzle apart and try other ways of assembling it that will include more of
> them.  When one takes the whole ill-shaped, misfitting structure of a
> subject-object explained universe apart and puts it back together in a
> value-centered metaphysics, all kinds of orphaned puzzle pieces fit
> beautifully that never fit before.
> 
>    (Lila, Chapter 8)
> 
> On 6/2/12 12:15 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> 
>> "The Metaphysics of Quality subscribes to what is called empiricism. It claims
>> that all legitimate human knowledge arises from the senses or by thinking
>> about what the senses provide. Most empiricists deny the validity of any
>> knowledge gained through imagination, authority, tradition, or purely
>> theoretical reasoning. They regard fields such as art, morality, religion, and
>> metaphysics as unverifiable. The Metaphysics of Quality varies from this by
>> saying that the values of art and morality and even religious mysticism are
>> verifiable...". 
>> 
>>    (LILA, Chapter 8)
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha and all,
>>> 
>>> I like the phrase "levels in existence" to describe the meaning of
>>> evolution.  Pirsig described DQ as indefinable.  In my experience emotional
>>> experience fits that description.  The apparatus for knowledge in a sentient
>>> being includes emotion and intellect.  Instinctive and definitive
>>> characterize DQ/SQ
>>> 
>>> Describing the apparatus of emotions interacting with thoughts as DQ/SQ is
>>> (can you pick a word?)  I am content with Pirsig's indefinable/definable
>>> suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Joe 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/1/12 11:15 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> How do perceptions and the apparatus that shape them interact with patterns?
>>>> Do they co-evolve?
>>> 
>>> 
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