[MD] The hard question

[Joseph Maurer]

Marsha,

I understood! But the questions never end!

Joe



On 6/3/12 12:44 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Joe,
> 
> What?  I thought the quote you offered was perfect?  That's why I offered the
> big smile. 
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> :-( ?
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/2/12 2:27 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  :-) 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> 
>>>> "The world comes to us in an endless stream of puzzle pieces that we would
>>>> like to think all fit together some how, but that in fact never do.  There
>>>> are always some pieces like platypi that don't fit and we can either ignore
>>>> these pieces or we can give them silly explanations or we can take the
>>>> whole
>>>> puzzle apart and try other ways of assembling it that will include more of
>>>> them.  When one takes the whole ill-shaped, misfitting structure of a
>>>> subject-object explained universe apart and puts it back together in a
>>>> value-centered metaphysics, all kinds of orphaned puzzle pieces fit
>>>> beautifully that never fit before.
>>>> 
>>>>   (Lila, Chapter 8)
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/2/12 12:15 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The Metaphysics of Quality subscribes to what is called empiricism. It
>>>>> claims
>>>>> that all legitimate human knowledge arises from the senses or by thinking
>>>>> about what the senses provide. Most empiricists deny the validity of any
>>>>> knowledge gained through imagination, authority, tradition, or purely
>>>>> theoretical reasoning. They regard fields such as art, morality, religion,
>>>>> and
>>>>> metaphysics as unverifiable. The Metaphysics of Quality varies from this
>>>>> by
>>>>> saying that the values of art and morality and even religious mysticism
>>>>> are
>>>>> verifiable...".
>>>>> 
>>>>>   (LILA, Chapter 8)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Marsha and all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the phrase "levels in existence" to describe the meaning of
>>>>>> evolution.  Pirsig described DQ as indefinable.  In my experience
>>>>>> emotional
>>>>>> experience fits that description.  The apparatus for knowledge in a
>>>>>> sentient
>>>>>> being includes emotion and intellect.  Instinctive and definitive
>>>>>> characterize DQ/SQ
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Describing the apparatus of emotions interacting with thoughts as DQ/SQ
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> (can you pick a word?)  I am content with Pirsig's indefinable/definable
>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/1/12 11:15 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How do perceptions and the apparatus that shape them interact with
>>>>>>> patterns?
>>>>>>> Do they co-evolve?
>>>>>> 
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