[MD] T.U.R.T.L.E.W.A.X.

[Ian Glendinning]

Leap of faith, gumption, common sense ... yes.
One thing's for sure the foundations of physical science is NOT
another scientific theory / hypothesis / principle.
See Carlo Rovelli http://www.psybertron.org/?p=4448

(PS Marsha, don't confuse leap of faith, with faith in something.)

Ian

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> p.s.  As a leap of faith, faith in authority doesn't ultimately appeal to me; that would be even a well respected authority.
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> On Jun 8, 2012, at 3:06 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>> Mr. Booth,
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>> I imagine, unless we're only interested in job security and maintaining the status quo, as a foundation we want direct insight (experience).  The point was that while a product of experience, abstractions & generalizations (concepts) may stray too far from that experience to be meaningful, even intellectually meaningful.  The MoQ is empirical, yes?
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>> On Jun 7, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Frank Booth <frankbooth66 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> It's funny to hear Ramanujan named. Mathematics has axioms as the "bottom turtle" and R's english mentors being involved at the time in attempting to lay down a solid self-contained foundation ( T.U.R.T.L.E.W.A.X. ). Good intuition.
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>>> Value, not concepts: Yes indeed. I would go so far as to say Value and Leap o' Faith are ( is? ) the very same tortuga.
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>>> Leap of faith is really another way of saying Gumption.
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>>> From Gumption, the higher symmetries, turtle upon turtle.
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>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> To: "moq_discuss at moqtalk.org" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] T.U.R.T.L.E.W.A.X.
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>>> Direct perceptions and experience (Value), not concepts.
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>>> On Jun 6, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Frank Booth <frankbooth66 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>> What is the name of the bottom turtle?
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