[MD] dark night

[MarshaV]

Joe & Mark,

Dynamic Quality isn't any thing.  It isn't 'dark night', or chaos; it is unpatterned; it is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.  I would imagine that there might be different responses in relationship to such experiences, and a dark night funk might be one of them, but not necessarily.  Wouldn't it depend on one's static pattern history and the dynamics of the event(s)?  A monk having spent a lifetime in a monastery might react with AHA!  Someone from a hyper-rational environment might react with a OMG!    

 
Marsha
 
 




On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:13 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pure DQ is dark night.  Just look at what happened to Pirsig that
> required his brain to be rebooted!  Pretty dark indeed, for that was
> severe treatment as he says in ZAMM.  He lost his personality, and had
> only some vague memories and some writing to go by to discover who he
> was.  Must have been pretty disturbing.  Even in Lila he treats his
> personality from before as a third person.  He states that he had to
> try to analyze a romantic view with a classical view.
> 
> He is not the only one this happened to through the ages.  It is a
> personal time when nothing makes sense, and one is lost.  Some
> describe this as extreme temptation (see Buddha).  Then hopefully
> there is rebirth and a new view.  Pirsig had a bit of this, but
> unfortunately he cannot remember what it was like to be "aware" like
> he was before the electroconvulsive therapy.  Still, he did a good job
> with his first autobiography in presenting what he may have "seen" and
> made it useful when he brought back it into the ghost of reason for
> the rest of us.
> 
> One cannot live in DQ alone.  It can be dark.  Be careful if you
> decide to go there, it is no fantasy story.  It is not just a state of
> mind.  Best to stay in this comfortable world of knowledge and not
> tempt those boundaries.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On 6/19/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> Is DQ dark night???  Or is dark night the pointless suffering in a world
>> filled with attachment to violent (false) static patterns and a false sense
>> of control?   Maybe it is the confusion that seems darkest before the dawn?
>> Fear of letting go?  Why?  No guarantees?  Lost expectations?  Why chaos and
>> not fear-free Oneness?  Fear of there being nothing to know and no one to
>> know it.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi MarshaV and All,
>>> 
>>> DQ is Dark Night.  Seemingly nothing, since is declared to be
>>> indefinable!
>>> DQ is not nothing! Comforting emotion makes my hair stand on end like a
>>> madman.  I feel so terribly alone.  The wonder of wonders is that DQ can
>>> stand alone begging SQ for boundaries.  The response to DQ only is: Are
>>> you
>>> nuts?  What are you talking about?  Oh shit!  And away we go!
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/19/12 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dark night stuff cannot be very pleasant and I wonder if it might help to
>>>> make
>>>> it a topic.  It is a common experience in many of the strains of
>>>> perennial
>>>> philosophy.  Or maybe just doing some reading on the subject can help.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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