[MD] dark night

[Ant McWatt]

Good point, Marsha.  I was waiting for someone to say that!

Best wishes,

Ant

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Maraha V stated June 21st:


Dynamic Quality isn't any thing. It isn't 'dark night', or chaos; it is unpatterned; it is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable. I would imagine that there might be different responses in relationship to such experiences, and a dark night funk might be one of them, but not necessarily. Wouldn't it depend on one's static pattern history and the dynamics of the event(s)? A monk having spent a lifetime in a monastery might react with AHA! Someone from a hyper-rational environment might react with a OMG!

Marsha


> On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:13 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pure DQ is dark night. Just look at what happened to Pirsig that
> > required his brain to be rebooted! Pretty dark indeed, for that was
> > severe treatment as he says in ZAMM. He lost his personality, and had
> > only some vague memories and some writing to go by to discover who he
> > was. Must have been pretty disturbing. Even in Lila he treats his
> > personality from before as a third person. He states that he had to
> > try to analyze a romantic view with a classical view.
> >
> > He is not the only one this happened to through the ages. It is a
> > personal time when nothing makes sense, and one is lost. Some
> > describe this as extreme temptation (see Buddha). Then hopefully
> > there is rebirth and a new view. Pirsig had a bit of this, but
> > unfortunately he cannot remember what it was like to be "aware" like
> > he was before the electroconvulsive therapy. Still, he did a good job
> > with his first autobiography in presenting what he may have "seen" and
> > made it useful when he brought back it into the ghost of reason for
> > the rest of us.
> >
> > One cannot live in DQ alone. It can be dark. Be careful if you
> > decide to go there, it is no fantasy story. It is not just a state of
> > mind. Best to stay in this comfortable world of knowledge and not
> > tempt those boundaries.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mark
> >
> > On 6/19/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Joe,
> >>
> >> Is DQ dark night??? Or is dark night the pointless suffering in a world
> >> filled with attachment to violent (false) static patterns and a false sense
> >> of control? Maybe it is the confusion that seems darkest before the dawn?
> >> Fear of letting go? Why? No guarantees? Lost expectations? Why chaos and
> >> not fear-free Oneness? Fear of there being nothing to know and no one to
> >> know it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joseph Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi MarshaV and All,
> >>>
> >>> DQ is Dark Night. Seemingly nothing, since is declared to be
> >>> indefinable!
> >>> DQ is not nothing! Comforting emotion makes my hair stand on end like a
> >>> madman. I feel so terribly alone. The wonder of wonders is that DQ can
> >>> stand alone begging SQ for boundaries. The response to DQ only is: Are
> >>> you
> >>> nuts? What are you talking about? Oh shit! And away we go!
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 6/19/12 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dark night stuff cannot be very pleasant and I wonder if it might help to
> >>>> make
> >>>> it a topic. It is a common experience in many of the strains of
> >>>> perennial
> >>>> philosophy. Or maybe just doing some reading on the subject can help.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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