[MD] dark night

[MarshaV]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for an opinion.  I offered mine.  You offered yours.  Great!   


Marsha 




On Jun 21, 2012, at 6:15 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> 
> I beg to differ.  Quality is a relationship one can have with
> existence.  You won't know it until you have been there.  DQ is part
> of that relationship.  Of course it is not an intellectual thingy like
> you say, but that is not everything, now is it?  Just like you cannot
> find the self with the intellect, you cannot find Quality with the
> intellect.  You are just looking for love in all the wrong places...
> Just stop this logical nonsense.
> 
> By the way, I was not speaking of an "experience", that sounds like
> some kind of static psychology.  Like some kind of brain fart.  Get
> beyond that.
> 
> It depend not on one's history, never has.  DQ is what creates that
> history.  It is not an Aha, never was, that is the result of DQ.  You
> are approaching this in the wrong way, completely (in my humble
> opinion).  MoQ has not gotten anywhere since Pirsig's pronouncements.
> What kind of metaphysics is that?  Sounds more like a tombstone.  "He
> tried to explain Qyality, and they put him on a shelf".
> 
> Just think of it as a relationship with your own existence.  That
> thing which creates your thoughts and emotions and all else.
> 
> What happens when there is not SQ around?  I suppose you will never
> know, because you keep boxing everything in.  There is much more than
> your intellectual musings.  They are like frost on a window.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On 6/21/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Joe & Mark,
>> 
>> Dynamic Quality isn't any thing.  It isn't 'dark night', or chaos; it is
>> unpatterned; it is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.  I would imagine
>> that there might be different responses in relationship to such experiences,
>> and a dark night funk might be one of them, but not necessarily.  Wouldn't
>> it depend on one's static pattern history and the dynamics of the event(s)?
>> A monk having spent a lifetime in a monastery might react with AHA!  Someone
>> from a hyper-rational environment might react with a OMG!
>> 
>>