[MD] dark night

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Cheers Marsha,
That is what it is all about.  We learn from each other.  Agreement is static.

Thank you.

Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark

On Jun 21, 2012, at 4:42 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for an opinion.  I offered mine.  You offered yours.  Great!   
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 21, 2012, at 6:15 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha,
>> 
>> I beg to differ.  Quality is a relationship one can have with
>> existence.  You won't know it until you have been there.  DQ is part
>> of that relationship.  Of course it is not an intellectual thingy like
>> you say, but that is not everything, now is it?  Just like you cannot
>> find the self with the intellect, you cannot find Quality with the
>> intellect.  You are just looking for love in all the wrong places...
>> Just stop this logical nonsense.
>> 
>> By the way, I was not speaking of an "experience", that sounds like
>> some kind of static psychology.  Like some kind of brain fart.  Get
>> beyond that.
>> 
>> It depend not on one's history, never has.  DQ is what creates that
>> history.  It is not an Aha, never was, that is the result of DQ.  You
>> are approaching this in the wrong way, completely (in my humble
>> opinion).  MoQ has not gotten anywhere since Pirsig's pronouncements.
>> What kind of metaphysics is that?  Sounds more like a tombstone.  "He
>> tried to explain Qyality, and they put him on a shelf".
>> 
>> Just think of it as a relationship with your own existence.  That
>> thing which creates your thoughts and emotions and all else.
>> 
>> What happens when there is not SQ around?  I suppose you will never
>> know, because you keep boxing everything in.  There is much more than
>> your intellectual musings.  They are like frost on a window.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On 6/21/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joe & Mark,
>>> 
>>> Dynamic Quality isn't any thing.  It isn't 'dark night', or chaos; it is
>>> unpatterned; it is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.  I would imagine
>>> that there might be different responses in relationship to such experiences,
>>> and a dark night funk might be one of them, but not necessarily.  Wouldn't
>>> it depend on one's static pattern history and the dynamics of the event(s)?
>>> A monk having spent a lifetime in a monastery might react with AHA!  Someone
>>> from a hyper-rational environment might react with a OMG!
>>> 
>>> 
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