[MD] aggregates of grasping

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Marsha,
No this is incorrect, you are using relationships in an objective fashion.
Mark

On 3/7/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Static patterns of value can be understood as recurrent patterns of
> interactions that arise simultaneously.  Such patterns are not objects in
> any sense, but specific, recurring relationships.  This notion aligns well
> with the Buddha's The Principle of  Conditionality: If this is, that comes
> to be; from the arising of this, that arises; if this is not, that does not
> come to be; from the stopping of this, that is stopped.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 6:52 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between
>> object and process?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective,
>>> independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence?  Well, I
>>> shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least a
>>> relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source or a
>>> soul.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> You seem to be using your patterns as objects.  Am I wrong here?  I do
>>>> not see how you are making the patterns something different.  Even
>>>> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different.  It
>>>> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from
>>>> "objects" to "patterns".  How are they different?  We see a pattern on
>>>> a rug, because it repeats itself.  That is what a pattern is.  What is
>>>> it about your patterns that provides such repetition.  How is it that
>>>> you undergo pattern recognition?
>>>>
>>>> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently
>>>>>> denied
>>>>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well.  After
>>>>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings and
>>>>>> their ownership, Marsha responded:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion.  It is extremely interesting,
>>>>>>> though,
>>>>>>> and I hope to learn more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta and
>>>>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion.  Marsha
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, since
>>>>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static
>>>>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value" has
>>>>>> become the mantra that identifies her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Ham,
>>>>>
>>>>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been thinking
>>>>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern".  For the expression
>>>>> seems
>>>>> both true and false.  The mind does seem to have evolved to reify ALL
>>>>> useful
>>>>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very
>>>>> insidious
>>>>> tendency.  I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to move
>>>>> one's
>>>>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to
>>>>> ones of
>>>>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value
>>>>> (processes)".
>>>>>
>>>>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and
>>>>> Buddhist
>>>>> scholars.  It often surprises me how clearly they present very
>>>>> difficult and
>>>>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. But always I believe
>>>>> one
>>>>> should continually check and verify.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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