[MD] aggregates of grasping

[MarshaV]

Mark,


Explain how you think I am using relationships in an objective fashion? 



Marsha



On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:33 AM, 118 wrote:

> Marsha,
> No this is incorrect, you are using relationships in an objective fashion.
> Mark
> 
> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Static patterns of value can be understood as recurrent patterns of
>> interactions that arise simultaneously.  Such patterns are not objects in
>> any sense, but specific, recurring relationships.  This notion aligns well
>> with the Buddha's The Principle of  Conditionality: If this is, that comes
>> to be; from the arising of this, that arises; if this is not, that does not
>> come to be; from the stopping of this, that is stopped.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 6:52 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between
>>> object and process?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective,
>>>> independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence?  Well, I
>>>> shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least a
>>>> relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source or a
>>>> soul.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>>> You seem to be using your patterns as objects.  Am I wrong here?  I do
>>>>> not see how you are making the patterns something different.  Even
>>>>> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different.  It
>>>>> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from
>>>>> "objects" to "patterns".  How are they different?  We see a pattern on
>>>>> a rug, because it repeats itself.  That is what a pattern is.  What is
>>>>> it about your patterns that provides such repetition.  How is it that
>>>>> you undergo pattern recognition?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently
>>>>>>> denied
>>>>>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well.  After
>>>>>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings and
>>>>>>> their ownership, Marsha responded:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion.  It is extremely interesting,
>>>>>>>> though,
>>>>>>>> and I hope to learn more.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta and
>>>>>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion.  Marsha
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, since
>>>>>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static
>>>>>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value" has
>>>>>>> become the mantra that identifies her.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Ham,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been thinking
>>>>>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern".  For the expression
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>> both true and false.  The mind does seem to have evolved to reify ALL
>>>>>> useful
>>>>>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very
>>>>>> insidious
>>>>>> tendency.  I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to move
>>>>>> one's
>>>>>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to
>>>>>> ones of
>>>>>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value
>>>>>> (processes)".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and
>>>>>> Buddhist
>>>>>> scholars.  It often surprises me how clearly they present very
>>>>>> difficult and
>>>>>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. But always I believe
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> should continually check and verify.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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