[MD] aggregates of grasping

118 ununoctiums at gmail.com
Wed Mar 7 12:33:23 PST 2012 

No Marsha,
You Bugger off!!!  If you know what that means that is.  I sure you have done it.

Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark

On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:59 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Bugger off!!!
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:52 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Marsha,
>> You mistake my intentions.  You need to figure it out for yourself, there is nothing I can tell you.
>> 
>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:59 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> Right,,, because it was a red-herring, asshole statement meant to get me to chase my tail.  No dice, Baby, start explaining!!!  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:45 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Marsha,
>>>> I see no reason to do this, figure it out on your own.
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Explain how you think I am using relationships in an objective fashion?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:33 AM, 118 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha,
>>>>>> No this is incorrect, you are using relationships in an objective fashion.
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/7/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Static patterns of value can be understood as recurrent patterns of
>>>>>>> interactions that arise simultaneously.  Such patterns are not objects in
>>>>>>> any sense, but specific, recurring relationships.  This notion aligns
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> with the Buddha's The Principle of  Conditionality: If this is, that
>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>>> to be; from the arising of this, that arises; if this is not, that does
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> come to be; from the stopping of this, that is stopped.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 6:52 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between
>>>>>>>> object and process?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective,
>>>>>>>>> independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence?  Well,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source or
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> soul.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>>>>>>>> You seem to be using your patterns as objects.  Am I wrong here?  I do
>>>>>>>>>> not see how you are making the patterns something different.  Even
>>>>>>>>>> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different.  It
>>>>>>>>>> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from
>>>>>>>>>> "objects" to "patterns".  How are they different?  We see a pattern on
>>>>>>>>>> a rug, because it repeats itself.  That is what a pattern is.  What is
>>>>>>>>>> it about your patterns that provides such repetition.  How is it that
>>>>>>>>>> you undergo pattern recognition?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently
>>>>>>>>>>>> denied
>>>>>>>>>>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> their ownership, Marsha responded:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion.  It is extremely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I hope to learn more.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, since
>>>>>>>>>>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static
>>>>>>>>>>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value"
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> become the mantra that identifies her.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Ham,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so well.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern".  For the
>>>>>>>>>>> expression
>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>> both true and false.  The mind does seem to have evolved to reify ALL
>>>>>>>>>>> useful
>>>>>>>>>>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very
>>>>>>>>>>> insidious
>>>>>>>>>>> tendency.  I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to
>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>> one's
>>>>>>>>>>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to
>>>>>>>>>>> ones of
>>>>>>>>>>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value
>>>>>>>>>>> (processes)".
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and
>>>>>>>>>>> Buddhist
>>>>>>>>>>> scholars.  It often surprises me how clearly they present very
>>>>>>>>>>> difficult and
>>>>>>>>>>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. But always I believe
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> should continually check and verify.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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