[MD] Why are things called patterns?

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Hi Craig,

This would bring in the powers of inductive and deductive reasoning.
For we can deduce things that are outside of our experience, such as
life on other planets.  As humans we have one mode of creating
patterns, iron filings are a good example of pattern creation when the
conform to a magnetic field.  The field is not really those patterns,
but that is how the iron presents them.

In your final two sentences I believe you are on the right path
towards understanding Pirsig.  That is the pattern of matter is
"produced" by us humans.  As such it is a ghost of the intellect.
Instead of pattern of matter, I could also say: Our "awareness" of
matter.  For there is far more to it than the patterns we form, just
like there is more to magnetic fields than the patterns which iron
filings form.  Remember that inductive and deductive reasoning are
creative powers, and therefore create truths, not find them.

Cheers,
Mark

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:17 PM, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Craig,
>
> How do you know that? It is known through experience yes, but what you are communicating to me now are ideas, not experience. It is only, our unique human minds which can recognise these patterns.  This is in line with Pirsig's quote that it is ideas which create what we know as inorganic patterns.
>
> "The MOQ says that Quality comes first, which produces ideas, which produce what we know as matter." - Lila's Child.
>
> -David.
>
>
> On Saturday, 10 March 2012 at 4:55 PM, craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> [David]
>> > The reason we call them this is because they are only ever recognised as patterns *because*
>> > of our intellect. They only exist *because* of our intellect.
>> >
>>
>>
>> I don't think this is Pirsig's view. Inorganic patterns (iron filings) recognize other inorganic
>> patterns (magnets); biological patterns (predators) recognize the patterns of their prey.
>> Craig
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