[MD] Why are things called patterns?

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Mon Mar 12 14:07:51 PDT 2012


[Craig]
> Inorganic patterns (iron filings) recognize other inorganic 
> patterns (magnets); biological patterns (predators) recognize the patterns of their prey.

[David] 
> How do you know that?

A hawk circles overhead, then swoops down on a mouse. How does it distinguish the mouse from
everything else around?  By patterns. You reject a lot of good science by holding a bad metaphysics.

[David]
> It is only, our unique human minds which can recognise
> these patterns.  This is in line with Pirsig's quote that it is ideas which create
> what we know as inorganic patterns.

"The MOQ says that Quality comes first, which produces ideas, which produce what we know as matter." - Lila's Child. 

Yes, our knowledge depends on concepts--intellectual patterns.  But a hawk & a mouse are
biological patterns.  
Intellectual patterns come from social patterns, which come from biological patterns, usw.

[Dan]
> Predators do not recognize patterns of prey... they exhibit preferences.

How does the hawk prefer a mouse to a piece of wood?  By recognizing the mouse pattern.
You reject a lot of good science by holding a bad metaphysics.

[Marsha]
> I think it best to consider static patterns of value from two different points-of-view.
> The first would be the nature of all patterns:  conditionally co-dependent, impermanent,
> ever-changing and conceptualized.  The process of conceptualization would pertain to all patterns
> (ideas/language).
> The second point-of-view would be categorization by evolutionary function into their four-level,
> hierarchical structure: inorganic, biological, social and intellectual.  

Marsha,
Yes, thank you, this is on the right track.
Craig





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