[MD] Why are things called patterns?

Tue Mar 13 05:53:58 PDT 2012

Hi Marsha

I know you don't easily (!) submit and this is something that I regard 
with great respect. I mean that sincerely. I may disagree with you in 
many ways but I still accept that you have a point of view and continue 
to give you a platform to express that point of view.
I think there are very few on this forum (although there are some) who 
are not guilty of abusive behaviour (and to be fair both you and I can 
be counted in this majority for whatever reason) and it is something 
that I have tried to stop in the past. However, short of having a 
moderated forum or kicking the majority off the list I'm not sure what 
else I can do to stop this.
I would much prefer to see a less hostile approach to all of our 
discussions and don't accept that abuse is a necessary part of this 
approach.
I also accept that there have been times when I have been harsh towards 
you, unreasonably so in some cases, but you're still here and still 
presenting your point of view. I think that counts for something.
As list admin. I try to interfere as little as possible but when I feel 
I need to make comments or admonish I do so and will continue to do so. 
I intend to run MD the way I think is best.
While browbeating may be subjective it certainly goes on from various 
quarters and I consider various forms of abuse, harassment and 
aggressive questioning etc. to be forms of browbeating.

Anyway, enough for now.

Horse

On 13/03/2012 11:36, MarshaV wrote:
>
> Horse,
>
> I do not easily submit.  In this forum I've been called an idiot, an asshole, Lucy, accused of continuous drinking, been called immoral, associated with a snot-bucket,&etc.  What is called browbeating seems, also, to be a subjective term.
>
> Marsha
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
>
>> Mark
>> Marsha sums up the problem very nicely here.
>> An onslaught of questions and double standards.
>> And your ego and controlling nature not allowing you to stop until you have browbeaten everyone else into submission.
>> Thank you Marsha.
>>
>> Horse
>>
>> On 13/03/2012 11:09, MarshaV wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> I am not being belligerent, I'm needing a rest from your onslaught of questions.  I do not think you're evil, but you do demonstrate a double standard.
>>>
>>> This discussion is over…
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:42 PM, 118 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marsha,
>>>> Why are you so belligerent.  I have spent some time trying to present things that are understandable.  All I get back are quotes, one liners, or accusations that I am out to get you.  Please review my posts to you, I am not evil.
>>>>
>>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:46 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> And I was looking for clarification when I asked you to explain how I was using the term 'relationship' in an objective fashion.  If you do not understand what I say, figure it out for yourself, and have the experience for yourself, too.  There's nothing I can tell you.  In general, I am quite tired of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 12:24 PM, 118<ununoctiums at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My intention was not to ridicule, never is.  I simply asked for
>>>>>> clarification so that I can understand what you are presenting.  I
>>>>>> value different ways of saying things, but I cannot read your mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I still do not understand your "habits that have turned into
>>>>>> conventions", I will not bug you any more on this, and let Dan do the
>>>>>> questioning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your response to this ignorant fool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/12/12, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>   wrote:
>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean habits that have turned into conventions.  Darn!  You allow yourself
>>>>>>> different ways of saying something.  So when I try it, I get ridicule?  You
>>>>>>> are like a noisy little child...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 12:01 PM, 118<ununoctiums at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Marsha and Dan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, so now "patterns" are "conventional habits".  This still does not
>>>>>>>> provide me with any clarity.  What pray tell are "conventional
>>>>>>>> habits"?  One person's conventional habits can be another's mystery.
>>>>>>>> Can I say that "conventional habits" are similar to "intuitive
>>>>>>>> habits"?  This would make such habits more real than the intellectual
>>>>>>>> patterns that "habits" are imbued with.  If not, please explain what
>>>>>>>> you are trying to convey by "conventional habits".  It rhymes with
>>>>>>>> "relational rabbits", this could be what you are saying, but I do not
>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is an "unconventional habit?".  Perhaps by explaining that, I can
>>>>>>>> deduce what a "conventional habit" is, as you use the term.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
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