[MD] Why are things called patterns?

Horse horse at darkstar.uk.net
Sun Mar 18 05:57:05 PDT 2012


"The word “produced” implies that Dynamic quality is a part of a cause 
and effect system
of the kind generated by scientific thinking. But Dynamic Quality cannot 
be part of any
cause and effect system since all cause and effect systems are static 
patterns. All we can
say is that these static patterns emerged and that they are better than 
physical
nothingness."
(Lila's Child)

"Dynamic Quality is defined constantly by everyone. Consciousness can be 
described is a
process of defining Dynamic Quality. But once the definitions emerge, 
they are static
patterns and no longer apply to Dynamic Quality. So one can say 
correctly that Dynamic
Quality is both infinitely definable and undefinable because definition 
never exhausts it.
It is the point at which static patterns emerge where there were no 
static patterns before.
It is not a two-way street, and therefore the term “interaction” seems 
inappropriate."
(Lila's Child)

"Dynamic Quality is value and thus is very easily distinguished. When 
one creates a word
for it and tries to distinguish this word from other words in a set of 
static intellectual
patterns, confusion results. But the confusion is caused by the static 
patterns that seek to
subordinate Dynamic Quality to themselves."
(Lila's Child)

...and so on and so forth.

It looks to me  like you're selecting quotes and using them out of 
context in order to support your position whilst leaving out other 
quotes that either fail to support your position or that undermine your 
position.

It seems fairly obvious from the above  - and from other quotes which 
can be found throughout various books - that neither Pirsig nor the MoQ 
(and quite likely the Buddhist tradition) support your position.

Horse

On 18/03/2012 09:16, MarshaV wrote:
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> "Dynamic Quality is defined constantly by everyone. Consciousness can be described is a process of defining Dynamic Quality. But once the definitions emerge, they are static patterns and no longer apply to Dynamic Quality. So one can say correctly that Dynamic Quality is both infinitely definable and undefinable because definition never exhausts it."
>       (Lila's Child)
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> "Moreover, Nagarjuna (1966, p.251) shares Pirsig’s perception that the indeterminate (or Dynamic) is the fundamental nature of the conditioned (or static)..."
>       (MoQ Textbook)
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> "Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.  Form is not other than emptiness; emptiness is not other than form."
>        (Heart Sutra)
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> Marsha:
> Static quality is not other than Dynamic Quality; Dynamic Quality is not other than static quality.
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