[MD] Why are things called patterns?

[MarshaV]

On Mar 18, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:

> Hi Marsha
> 
> OK - let's stick with DQ for the moment.


> Could you elaborate as to how this overlaying is accomplished as it seems odd, to me, that you're taking SQ which is defined (or at least definable) and overlaying it onto the undefinable, DQ.

Don't know how.   Possibly patterns of habit.  It reminds me that I told my husband not to point out or name the constellations, but of course he did.  He showed me Orion, and now whenever I look into the starry night sky, the first thing I see is Orion.  It stand out like a neon sign.  How does this happen?  I don't know, but it does.
  

> And, isn't Quality (or Value) the fundamental state of reality and DQ/SQ are required components of Quality?

I have no idea what you are saying.  I have it that the fundamental nature of reality is DQ, and static patterns are overlaid upon DQ.  Static patterns being useful conventions.  Why this process evolved, I do not know with any certainty.  How this happens?  How can I say since I am an aspect of the process?  


> That's how I understand it anyway.

And you know how I understand it.  


> 
> Cheers
> 
> Horse
> 


Marsha 





> 
> On 18/03/2012 17:17, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>> Horse,
>> 
>> No I stated it as I meant it.  Static quality patterns are overlaid onto Dynamic Quality, or the undifferentiated flux, or the indeterminate.  Period!  End of story!  DQ is the fundamental state of reality.
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha
>>> 
>>> OK - this may be the source of my misinterpretation of what you've stated in the past.
>>> 
>>> Is it fair to say that you see SQ (static patterns of value) as distinct from DQ in that, while static patterns are definable they have a relationship to DQ.
>>> If possible, I'd like to avoid using quotes from others as I'd genuinely like to know your own thoughts on this and how you see the relationship between DQ and SQ. No tricks, no games and certainly no disrespect from my end - just a desire to understand what YOU think as I appear to have failed to understand what you have meant in the past.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Horse
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/03/2012 14:09, MarshaV wrote:
>>>> Horse,
>>>> 
>>>> I mean like static patterns are overlaid upon the undifferentiated flux.  Or as in the MoQ Textbook quote, "Moreover, Nagarjuna (1966, p.251) shares Pirsig’s perception that the indeterminate (or Dynamic) is the fundamental nature of the conditioned (or static)…"   I mean nothing more than this.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Horse wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've cut earlier parts of the post for clarity - mine mainly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your position up to now has appeared to me at least to be that DQ and SQ are the same - but maybe this has been me misinterpreting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When you say:
>>>>> "Static quality is not other than Dynamic Quality; Dynamic Quality is not other than static quality."
>>>>> 
>>>>> this gives me the impression that you believe that they are one and the same.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is this correct or do you mean something different?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Horse
>>>>> 
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