[MD] The value of static patterns.

[MarshaV]

Probably better stated as very numerous.  



On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:59 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> I mean very numerable.
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:37 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha,
>> Innumerable is pretty much the same thing, to me, so it also depends
>> on how it is used.  Do you mean "cannot be counted"?  If it cannot be
>> counted it cannot be defined, and we arrive at DQ which lies outside
>> cause and effect.  If it can be counted, then a better word would be
>> "finite".
>> 
>> From that quote below, the author speaks of "changing himself".
>> Logically this form of change occurs outside of cause and effect as
>> well.  In this way the author is denying codependent arising.  For
>> "changing oneself" is like Immaculate Conception, something that does
>> not abide by cause effect logic.
>> 
>> Just wondering what your thoughts are on my opinions here.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On 3/22/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> It's a quote from Nisargadatta, I would have used the word 'innumerable'.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:30 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> One must be careful how one uses the term "infinite".  It could suggest
>>>> that "causes" do not exist.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:58 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi David & Mark,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:46 PM, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David:
>>>>>>>> So we just need to have a goal of DQ and not sq? So if I just have a
>>>>>>>> goal of
>>>>>>>> DQ, then I need not worry about the patterns I am creating?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>>>> Not a goal of DQ, a goal of understanding.  Why do you wish to learn
>>>>>>> more about MoQ by participating in this forum?  This is a serious
>>>>>>> question, I just want to understand.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David:
>>>>>> Yes, to understand and in the process make myself a better person.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's something I like to consider:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Causes and results are infinite in number and variety.  Everything
>>>>> affects everything.  In this universe, when one thing changes, everything
>>>>> changes.  Hence the great power of man in changing the world by changing
>>>>> himself."
>>>>> (Nisargadatta Maharaj)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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