[MD] The value of static patterns.

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Hi Dan,
I am sorry that you find what I post to be nonsense.  If it truly is,
then you have nothing to worry about.  If on the other hand you find
it to be destructive of your MoQ, then it is not nonsense, for it has
to make sense to do that.  I have not seen anything recently that
suggests you have a grasp of ZAMM or Lila.  Perhaps you could post
something, presented in a new way, which would demonstrate that you
do.  We can then evaluate what you post.  It is the risk we all take
when we post something.  This forum is based on current contributions,
not on some static concept that was presented in the past.  We are
driving towards betterness, not assuming that such betterness has
stopped and must always be referred to historically.

So, there is my challenge to you.  Before you are critical of what
others are presenting, give it a shot first.  Simply presenting verses
from your bible and changing the words around will not suffice, of
course.  This requires critical thought, and an "echo approach" is
simply silly, in my opinion.  Perhaps you can bring in some novel
concepts that were not discussed in Lila's Child.  Just a suggestion.

Furthermore, in response to your post below, it would seem to me that
it is you who do not care for what Pirsig is trying to do.  You are
trying to tie the message down with certain words.  This is a
degenerate practice, if I can use RMP's own words.  Please consider
that before you arrogantly presume to be the guru of this forum.

The animosity comes from the likes of you, dmb, and others who are
stuck in static history and want to control MoQ in the manner they
believe it should be presented.  Certainly when you write a book, you
try to remain dynamic in your approach.  Why should your contribution
to this forum be any different?  I have not read your books
completely, and perhaps you choose to be critical of others in those
books as well.  If so, I can understand why you take the attitude you
do in this forum.

Just let it go, be free, be dynamic!

Cheers,
Mark

On 3/23/12, Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Antonio Roberto Maestrello
> <armaestrello at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What's happening here? Forgive me, but such aggressiveness is not the Zen
>> way. There are rooms for everybody and all kind of views. Lord Buddah has
>> shown us about it.
>
> Hi Antonio
>
> Thank you for writing... you are a very kind person. Please allow me
> to attempt an answer to your question as to what is happening here...
>
> This is a discussion list devoted to the works of Robert Pirsig. As
> long as contributors have a decent grasp of Zen and the Art of
> Motorcycle Maintenance and Lila, they will no doubt submit posts of
> high quality to keep the dynamic flowing... and everyone will enjoy
> intelligent and fulfilling discussions.
>
> However! Certain people have infiltrated the group spouting nonsense
> and disrupting any intelligent discussions brewing. Mark is a prime
> example but he is not alone. For the longest time it was plain to all
> that he'd never read a word of Robert Pirsig. Perhaps that has
> changed... I don't know. But he has yet to grasp the essentials and
> instead of attempting to learn a bit from folk like dmb, Horse, Andre,
> and a number of others who've been here a long time, he hurls insults
> and high-handed remarks at them.
>
> If this was just an open discussion group, then yes, I would agree
> with you that there are rooms for everyone. It is not. These people
> like Mark and Tuukka and others who do not care a thing about Mr.
> Pirsig's work are ruining it for those who do.
>
> That is (in my opinion) the source of the animosity you are
> unfortunate witness to. May I offer my apologies and best wishes for
> your continued participation.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dan
>
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