[MD] Why are things called patterns?

[Tuukka Virtaperko]

But I'd like to add Marsha has some good ideas or points. She's been 
useful. So I don't see what's the thing with being "intellectually 
nowhere" like Lila.

-Tuukka



24.3.2012 2:53, Tuukka Virtaperko kirjoitti:
> Andre,
> this is actually a damn good analysis.
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> -Tuukka
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> 23.3.2012 22:48, Andre kirjoitti:
>> dmb to Marsha:
>> She is so lacking in self-awareness that she doesn't see her own 
>> defensive anger as a rather transparent confession, but that's 
>> exactly what it is.
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>> Andre:
>> Excellent post dmb. I just thought I'd pick some issues out of it to 
>> elaborate on it by providing, perhaps a slightly different 
>> perspective but, in my view totally commensurate with the MOQ.
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>> Lila is not, strictly speaking, 'lacking in self-awareness' but 
>> rather her awareness of herself is defined in biological terms. What 
>> does this mean? The biological level has 'emerged' from the inorganic 
>> level. At this level there is, as yet, no idea of a social let alone 
>> intellectual level. One's awareness, one's consciousness therefore is 
>> restricted to the biological level. Everything and everybody is seen 
>> in biological terms with biological connotations/intentions/wishes etc.
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>> To put it in intellectual terms: the ego is still at the level of 
>> 'body-ego', more or less differentiated from the environment. Lila's 
>> anger, of course, and her own 'rationalizations'(and justifications) 
>> about her own 'state' are indications of her (pathological) attempt 
>> to 'transcend' to the social level(at least). Her paranoia is the 
>> protection/indication and result of the failure of this attempt.
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>> Then follows the quote after which you say:
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>> "Marsha read this and finds great wisdom in Lila's words, as if her 
>> denial of self were an indication of enlightenment."
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>> Which, as you rightly point out it is not. Rather it is regression. 
>> Lila cannot handle social membership, and because the intellectual is 
>> never in view Lila doesn't know it and Marsha thinks she has gone 
>> beyond it but the 'wisdom' found is only body-centric, 
>> naturistic/narcissistic. It is pre-verbal, pre-personal, pre-mental. 
>> Lila is "nobody", she is "not at home". She is a (n)ever-changing set 
>> of static biological patterns of quality. Socially low, 
>> intellectual-nowhere...and in desperate need of stability.
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>> Of course Phaedrus wants to kill her. "Not the biological Lila, but 
>> the static patterns that were really going to kill her if she didn't 
>> let go". I think what Phaedrus means is that he wants to kill her ( 
>> sole) identification of herself with the biological level. To 
>> 'escape' into Dynamic Quality i.e. die to this level, die to the sole 
>> identification of the self with biology and transcend into the social 
>> level (at least...one cannot skip levels as Aurobindo and many others 
>> point out), assuming thereby an expanded (self) consciousness. It 
>> does mean a 'birth' in the new and a death of (but including) the 
>> former.
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>> I do hope this makes a little bit of sense. It sure has help me to 
>> understand Marsha's defenses a bit better....not that that is an excuse!
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