[MD] Why are things called patterns?

[Tuukka Virtaperko]

Being random and unstable with regards to intellect is not "being 
intellectually nowhere". Rather, it's "being intellectually all over the 
place". I like Tim on LS, so how could I not like Marsha? I do.

-Tuukka



24.3.2012 3:00, Tuukka Virtaperko kirjoitti:
> But I'd like to add Marsha has some good ideas or points. She's been 
> useful. So I don't see what's the thing with being "intellectually 
> nowhere" like Lila.
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> -Tuukka
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> 24.3.2012 2:53, Tuukka Virtaperko kirjoitti:
>> Andre,
>> this is actually a damn good analysis.
>>
>> -Tuukka
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>> 23.3.2012 22:48, Andre kirjoitti:
>>> dmb to Marsha:
>>> She is so lacking in self-awareness that she doesn't see her own 
>>> defensive anger as a rather transparent confession, but that's 
>>> exactly what it is.
>>>
>>> Andre:
>>> Excellent post dmb. I just thought I'd pick some issues out of it to 
>>> elaborate on it by providing, perhaps a slightly different 
>>> perspective but, in my view totally commensurate with the MOQ.
>>>
>>> Lila is not, strictly speaking, 'lacking in self-awareness' but 
>>> rather her awareness of herself is defined in biological terms. What 
>>> does this mean? The biological level has 'emerged' from the 
>>> inorganic level. At this level there is, as yet, no idea of a social 
>>> let alone intellectual level. One's awareness, one's consciousness 
>>> therefore is restricted to the biological level. Everything and 
>>> everybody is seen in biological terms with biological 
>>> connotations/intentions/wishes etc.
>>>
>>> To put it in intellectual terms: the ego is still at the level of 
>>> 'body-ego', more or less differentiated from the environment. Lila's 
>>> anger, of course, and her own 'rationalizations'(and justifications) 
>>> about her own 'state' are indications of her (pathological) attempt 
>>> to 'transcend' to the social level(at least). Her paranoia is the 
>>> protection/indication and result of the failure of this attempt.
>>>
>>> Then follows the quote after which you say:
>>>
>>> "Marsha read this and finds great wisdom in Lila's words, as if her 
>>> denial of self were an indication of enlightenment."
>>>
>>> Which, as you rightly point out it is not. Rather it is regression. 
>>> Lila cannot handle social membership, and because the intellectual 
>>> is never in view Lila doesn't know it and Marsha thinks she has gone 
>>> beyond it but the 'wisdom' found is only body-centric, 
>>> naturistic/narcissistic. It is pre-verbal, pre-personal, pre-mental. 
>>> Lila is "nobody", she is "not at home". She is a (n)ever-changing 
>>> set of static biological patterns of quality. Socially low, 
>>> intellectual-nowhere...and in desperate need of stability.
>>>
>>> Of course Phaedrus wants to kill her. "Not the biological Lila, but 
>>> the static patterns that were really going to kill her if she didn't 
>>> let go". I think what Phaedrus means is that he wants to kill her ( 
>>> sole) identification of herself with the biological level. To 
>>> 'escape' into Dynamic Quality i.e. die to this level, die to the 
>>> sole identification of the self with biology and transcend into the 
>>> social level (at least...one cannot skip levels as Aurobindo and 
>>> many others point out), assuming thereby an expanded (self) 
>>> consciousness. It does mean a 'birth' in the new and a death of (but 
>>> including) the former.
>>>
>>> I do hope this makes a little bit of sense. It sure has help me to 
>>> understand Marsha's defenses a bit better....not that that is an 
>>> excuse!
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