[MD] belief

[MarshaV]

Hey Mark,

Doesn't this exchange between RMP and Dan express awareness/mindfulness well?  

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RMP:
... Remember that the central reality of the MOQ is not an object or a subject or anything else. It is understood by direct experience only and not by reasoning of any kind...
 
DG:
Direct experience does not mean direct experience per se but rather experience directly perceived. It may just be a matter of semantics but I have always argued there is no such thing as direct experience. Now I sense I have been looking at the question backwards, so to speak.
 
RMP:
Yes
          (LILA's CHILD)



Marsha




On Nov 1, 2012, at 1:41 AM, MarshaV wrote:

> 
> Mark,
> 
> Yes, supposedly the Buddha taught awareness, plain and simple.
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 1:17 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, sounds like Sartre, that Bufoon!  He can have his meaningless universe, it sure has no Quality. 
>> 
>> I did not know you we're an existentialist.  In many ways Buddhism is existentialist, except it trends towards determinism if one follows the literature.  Of course Buddha was not a determinist, he believed the Self could reach nirvana.  This made him an anti-existentialist as well.  Too bad nobody understands his teachings here in the West.  He spoke of Quality, plain and simple.
>> 
>> He did not believe in Reality.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2012, at 3:22 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> "To believe is to know you believe, and to know you believe is not to believe."
>>>    (Sartre, Jean-Paul)
>>> 
>>> Not this, not that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 11:46 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> I am not sure of the reflection part.  The sound that I am hearing I am creating with my ears and brain.  Sound is the process of transformation.
>>>> 
>>>> Belief?  Belief is that relationship we create with existence.  Such belief could be Quality.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 1:03 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ... changed the subject
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It seems to me the sound you are hearing ("It sounds like ...") is a reflection of your own voice and song. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> What else might be said about belief...
>>>>> 
>>>>> James P. Carse, Religious War In Light of the Infinite Game, SALT talk (1' 18"):   
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdIP6HilbWE   
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 22, 2012, at 10:43 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for that Marsha.  It sounds like the certainty of belief.  I appreciate your honesty.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:50 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have found contentment with my own ignorance which has led to a deep, endless respect for the question over and above any possible answer.  For me, it is the question that contains intuition and caring.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:42 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>> At the moment, the continuous present is valuable.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha
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