[MD] belief

Horse horse at darkstar.uk.net
Fri Nov 2 16:04:39 PDT 2012 

I'm quite aware that the Metaphysics of Quality is a metaphysics - 
there's a small clue in the name!!!

And yet MoQ=Reality is a position held by at least 3 people that I can 
think of!
Of course it's silly - and the mental gymnastics required to rationalise 
such a position are quite stunning. But still some adhere to such a 
ridiculous position.

Amazing how dumb some people can be!

Oh well!!

Horse


On 01/11/2012 05:08, 118 wrote:
> Hi Horse,
>
> Of course MoQ does not equal Reality.  It is a metaphysics for Christ's sake.  What a silly question!
>
> What would be your answer to your question?
>
>
> Mark
>
> On Oct 31, 2012, at 3:35 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Horse,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Marsha
>>> That's fine - there were no threats etc., implied or otherwise.
>>> I just wanted a straight answer to a straight question - I'm not trying to trick you into anything!
>>>
>>> The problem with your previous answer, I found, was that while it made sense to you it wasn't clear, to me, what you were saying.
>>>
>>> As a matter of interest, what do you see as the difference between saying that the MoQ is an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system which states that Quality = Reality (as per Pirsig) and that the MoQ (presumably still as an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system) denotes that Quality = Reality.
>> First of all, 'MoQ', 'Quality' and 'Reality' are symbols, so it depends on context.  But, I see the first view as representing a menu, and the second view representing actual food.  In the second view, I do not assume "(presumably still as an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system)", but metaphysics as _fundamental principal_, as in the RMP's statement "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but value ...".
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Horse
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2012 09:48, MarshaV wrote:
>>>> Horse,
>>>>
>>>> I would prefer to prevaricate as I find some explanations do not fit easily into either/or choice.  It depends on context.  But you are the moderator and if the threat is to toss me off the list for not making such a choice, I'll say no.  I prefer, though, my two-view explanation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes Marsha I can read and I read your reply which was why I asked the question.
>>>>>
>>>>> So can you answer my question or will you continue to prevaricate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you believe MoQ = Reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very simple. Yes or No?
>>>>>
>>>>> Horse
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30/10/2012 09:53, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Horse,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wrote to Andre:
>>>>>> I take the two-view perspective of the MoQ.  There is the MoQ as the intellectual/conceptual metaphysical system, with all its examples and supporting explanation, which was presented by RMP in 'LILA' and with interviews, text and letters; and there is the MoQ as Reality = Quality (Dynamic/static), or as I prefer to think of it:  Value(unpatterned/patterned).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the second view, I am saying that the Metaphysics of Quality denotes Reality = Quality(Dynamic/static).  Metaphysics as first, or fundamental, principle.
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Horse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Marsha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MoQ = Reality
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quality = Reality?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Horse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/10/2012 09:12, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>>>> dmb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 4:39 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> dmb:
>>>>>>>>> Marsha stands firmly upon a paradox that she doesn't understand. She's remains confused as to the meaning of the MOQ's central distinction, i.e. the distinction between concepts and reality, between static quality and Dynamic Quality.
>>>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>>>> Here is the fundamental principle of the MoQ on which I totally agree.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but value ..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     (RMP, 'A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality, October 2005')
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marsha
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