[MD] Economics

[Andre Broersen]

Marsha to dmb:
I thought the topic was intellectual value over social and biological 
value, since most of the quotes you presented had nothing to do with 
economics or money and made no sense in that context. The quote from 
Chapter 32 was in response to Andre claiming the "moral goodness of 
intellectual patterns dominating social and biological patterns". That 
little poem contradicts such notions as it suggests that social and 
biological patterns should be sustained, while intellectual patterns 
should be killed completely.
But consider this: "Thought is not a path to reality. It sets obstacles 
in that path because when you try to use thought to approach something 
that is prior to thought your thinking does not carry you toward that 
something. It carries you away from it. To define something is to 
subordinate it to a tangle of intellectual relationships. And when you 
do that you destroy real understanding." (RMP,'LILA')

Andre:
Boy oh boy you really are seriously confused Marsha. Dmb (wow he's 
patient with you)...please follow his advice since you still don't get 
it because you are confusing and continue to confuse your two 
perspectives!!! The heart of this confusion lies in your silly, confused 
notion that 'Dq is none other than sq' (and vice versa).

And here, in this Pirsig quote you are doing it again!!! Let me cut 
corners, be crude and disregard a few things to make it very clear to 
you: what this forum is meant to be doing is discussing Pirsig's MoQ. It 
is a metaphysics. It is meant to make this world (sq) a little better. 
If a metaphysics does not do that, forget it.

The MoQ is NOT Reality (another one of your confusions). The MoQ is a 
static intellectual pattern of quality. The MoQ is NOT a path to 
enlightenment, NOT a path to reality. Your wonderful repitition of 
Pirsig's stanza, particularly the 'kill all intellectual patterns' bit 
points towards a mystical understanding of reality. As dmb keeps on 
saying (as is this thread's title) do not confuse mysticism with 
economics...with fame, fortune and glory. These are social patterns of 
quality and I would suggest to you that to confuse social patterns of 
quality with mysticism is not only immoral. It is a direct insult to the 
intellectual level.

Please read what Pirsig wrote on Hagan's 'Buddhism made Simple'. Read is 
slowly and carefully...especially where he says:'If you are looking for 
enlightenment rather than... .

Okay, I've made the MoQ too simple but do you get it now?