[MD] Economics

[MarshaV]

"While I am thinking about it there is a very good book on Buddhism recently out called 'Buddhism, Plain and Simple', by Steve Hagen and published by Tuttle Publishing. I recommend you get it because it shows the similarities, between the MOQ and Zen Buddhism more clearly than any other I have seen." 
   -  Pirsig to McWatt, May 6th 1998.




On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Andre Broersen wrote:

> Marsha to dmb:
> I thought the topic was intellectual value over social and biological value, since most of the quotes you presented had nothing to do with economics or money and made no sense in that context. The quote from Chapter 32 was in response to Andre claiming the "moral goodness of intellectual patterns dominating social and biological patterns". That little poem contradicts such notions as it suggests that social and biological patterns should be sustained, while intellectual patterns should be killed completely.
> But consider this: "Thought is not a path to reality. It sets obstacles in that path because when you try to use thought to approach something that is prior to thought your thinking does not carry you toward that something. It carries you away from it. To define something is to subordinate it to a tangle of intellectual relationships. And when you do that you destroy real understanding." (RMP,'LILA')
> 
> Andre:
> Boy oh boy you really are seriously confused Marsha. Dmb (wow he's patient with you)...please follow his advice since you still don't get it because you are confusing and continue to confuse your two perspectives!!! The heart of this confusion lies in your silly, confused notion that 'Dq is none other than sq' (and vice versa).
> 
> And here, in this Pirsig quote you are doing it again!!! Let me cut corners, be crude and disregard a few things to make it very clear to you: what this forum is meant to be doing is discussing Pirsig's MoQ. It is a metaphysics. It is meant to make this world (sq) a little better. If a metaphysics does not do that, forget it.
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> The MoQ is NOT Reality (another one of your confusions). The MoQ is a static intellectual pattern of quality. The MoQ is NOT a path to enlightenment, NOT a path to reality. Your wonderful repitition of Pirsig's stanza, particularly the 'kill all intellectual patterns' bit points towards a mystical understanding of reality. As dmb keeps on saying (as is this thread's title) do not confuse mysticism with economics...with fame, fortune and glory. These are social patterns of quality and I would suggest to you that to confuse social patterns of quality with mysticism is not only immoral. It is a direct insult to the intellectual level.
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> Please read what Pirsig wrote on Hagan's 'Buddhism made Simple'. Read is slowly and carefully...especially where he says:'If you are looking for enlightenment rather than... .
> 
> Okay, I've made the MoQ too simple but do you get it now?
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