[MD] kill all intellectual patterns
david buchanan
dmbuchanan at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 20 22:31:35 PST 2012
And as RMP states in LILA "Quality is a direct experience independent of and prior to intellectual abstractions."
That is the distinction between DQ and sq. DQ is the primary empirical reality (direct experience) and intellectual abstractions (idea, concepts, definitions) are static quality. Primary means first, prior to, and concepts are secondary, are derived from the primary. Pirsig quotes James on this point: "There must always be a discrepancy between concepts [sq] and reality [DQ], because the former are static and discontinuous while the latter is dynamic and flowing."
That's the meaning of "truth" in the MOQ. "Truth is a static intellectual pattern within a larger entity called Quality."
"Now, to take that which has caused us to create the world [DQ], and include it within the world we have created [sq], is clearly impossible. That is why Quality cannot be defined. If we do define it we are defining something [sq] less than Quality itself [DQ]." (ZAMM, chapter 20) This is another way of saying that concepts are always secondary and derived, as opposed to being the primary empirical reality. The distinction between DQ and sq is not just made up and it's not fancy. It's the difference between experience and thought, between reality and words.
There is nothing logically contradictory about having an experience while thinking at the same time. The idea here is to get them both working TOGETHER. And doing that means putting them in their proper relation, knowing which is which.
"Quality is a direct experience independent of and prior to intellectual abstractions."
"Independent of and prior to" means DQ comes first and is distinctly different from intellectual abstractions.
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> On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:11 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> > Greetings,
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> > Why, your rational mind might ask, if the idea is to hold the Dynamic point-of-view simultaneously with the static point-of-view, would one need to kill all intellectual patterns? My explanation is to first know deeply and first-hand the _experience_ of being without them: awareness, direct perceptions, pre-conceptual experience. I mean on some level doesn't _simultaneous_ fly in the face of Aristotle's Law of Non-contradiction and all its deep-seeded sub- & un-conscious associated assumptions? It's not either/or, it's _simultaneous_.
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> > imho
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> > Marsha
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> > On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:06 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> >> Greetings,
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> >> Do you think enlightenment, or "the mystical," is levitating three feet above the ground? Or might it be nothing fancy, merely an expanded and deeper understanding/insight/experience of reality, a remaking of one's relationship to knowing? Hasn't RMP stated that the ideal is to experience the Dynamic point-of-view simultaneously with the static point-of-view?
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> >> Marsha
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> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:01 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> >>> "When early Western investigators first read the Buddhist texts they too interpreted nirvana as some kind of suicide. There's a famous poem that goes:
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> >>> While living,
> >>> Be a dead man.
> >>> Be completely dead,
> >>> And then do as you please.
> >>> And all will be well.
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> >>> "It sounds like something from a Hollywood horror-film but it's about nirvana. The Metaphysics of Quality translates it:
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> >>> While sustaining biological and social patterns
> >>> Kill all intellectual patterns.
> >>> Kill them completely
> >>> And then follow Dynamic Quality
> >>> And morality will be served.
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> >>> ...
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> >>> "When Phaedrus first went to India he'd wondered why, if this passage of enlightenment into pure Dynamic Quality was such a universal reality, did it only occur in certain parts of the world and not others? At the time he'd thought this was proof that the whole thing was just Oriental religious baloney, the equivalent of a magic land called 'heaven' that Westerners go to if they are good and get a ticket from the priests. Now he saw that enlightenment is distributed in all parts of the world just as the color yellow is distributed in all parts of the world, but some cultures accept it and others screen out recognition of it."
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> >>> (LILA, Chapter 32)
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> >>> * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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> >>> The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from experience but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing, static, intellectual attachments of the past. "
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> >>> (LILA, Chapter 9)
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