[MD] The Art of Philosophy

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The word politic was used already by Platon, "Polis-ethics". 

Pragmatism is to find out what works, to find out what is useful.

Feedback is crucial for useful process maintenance.

Protons are processes in a very stable state as they have the longest duration that we know about, 10^32 years or like. What kind of feedback to balance the process of a proton is not yet fully explored but we could already say that it must have an extremely good accuracy for that duration. The interaction between DQ/SQ is close to perfect.

Biological processes uses different chemical substances to transmit feedback to the right place so the right 'decisions" are taken to be able to survive.Species with the fittest feedback systems survive in the competion for space and energy. Billions of years of experiencing the feedback signals has given us a rich and beautiful nature.

Social process uses the lower levels for their own purpose. Chemical reactions and biological process are used to maintain the social structure. Emotional and physical signal values are processed by the controlling centers to make decisions. The social processe that takes the best decisons, reads the circumstances in the best way, will win in the competition between different social structures.The art of hunting, agriculture, war and business is based on that.

Intellectual patterns are tested, evalued and ordered, false and useless patterns are forgotten while true and useful concepts are saved.

In the political dicussion of today, high attention are done on numbers and facts. The wealth of a nation is measured in numbers, preferably taxes and interest rates. How it is to live a life in a state as human being, the 'quality' aspect is harder to measure and discuss. The 'good life' is mostly regarded as an inferior variable compared to tax income, consumed calories and the price of gasoline.

There is another connection between MOQ and politics too.

MRB and Mark had some opinion about the size of the government.

We must first consider the MOQ based insight that a country is NOT a company. A country is not a big farm either, enterpreneural strategies are not applicable to a country, because:

The economics of an enterprise is plan-economics, it is controlled and dictated from above, just like what they try in the communist states. Poeple are hired and fired at will. It will work in a enterprise but not in a free country. That is the mistake from the communist policies so forget that if you are on the liberal side.

A country is a Social area, not a biological species, where every citizen who has the RIGHT to stay in the country has the right to be alive. The state has NO right to hinder the biological and social life of any member, (malicious murderers behaviour can be discussed of course). The state is obliged to serve and protect every citizen. OK? Intellectual freedom is obvious.

The members in turn are obliged to pay their share of their wealth to stay in the state. Numbers of examples there. I can't say how much you have to pay to stay in a social structure, but I can tell that it must be worth it. How do you know if it is worth to live in a country? Well, France has just risen their taxes for rich people and some of them are preparing to leave just because they rather keep their millions than breath the french air. Its just a feeling of comfortablity with the circumstances, high life quality...?

So I think the choice between Obama and Romney is easy for everyone: Is it worth it, not only in fiscal numbers but also regarding life quality? I am not american so I have no opinion.

I think Art and Philosophy is dearer than sausage.

Let the best bird win.

Jan Anders

btw, I updated the Hitler movie for you living in uncensored countries: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfxESj7f7m0
If you can't watch it drop me a line. It's just for fun anyway.

20 okt 2012 kl. 23.19 skrev Horse:

> Guys, can we please keep away from the party political rhetoric.
> I know some of the folk on this list have an election coming up soon so it's probably on most of your minds at present.
> However, unless it's specifically relevant to Pirsig's MoQ then keep it offlist.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Horse
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> 
> On 20/10/2012 19:53, Michael R. Brown wrote:
>> On 10/20/2012 11:39 AM, david buchanan wrote:
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>> > pragmatists like James "wanted us to give up 'ideologies'.” Pragmatism, he said, is “the attitude of looking away from first things, principles, ‘categories,’ supposed necessities; and of looking towards last things, fruits, consequences, facts.”
>> 
>> Which is why you say this:
>> 
>> > the most hackneyed and cliched slogans of the GOP.
>> 
>> I.e., mere categories!
>> 
>> > Similarly, Obama's Pragmatic attitude
>> 
>> Which leads him to ignore that his system isn't working, doesn't work, never works, can't work. And spout endless errors. And verbal gyrations. (Benghazi, anyone?)
>> 
>> > no engagement with the ideas
>> 
>> The ideas in the article have been engaged with ad naus inf. The article is mealy-mouthed garbage. The Constitution is a living document because it offers what government needs: firm, fixed limits. Pirsig's Cycle wasn't made of diaphanous goo that wandered all over the road and five miles past it. It had a definite form and presumably still exists. That's what made it all possible. Were Pirsig and his son not separate people, there could have been no realization or connection at the end. Don't get Zen sickness by reducing everything to oneness.
>> 
>> > This is what trolls do. They don't add to any conversation or debate or dialogue. They just shit on it and walk away.
>> 
>> Thank you for a meaningful contribution that doesn't in any way resemble standard liberal/dem/leftist boilerplate trollery. : )
>> 
>> I guess I'm a real MOQ'er now!
>> 
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