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Hi Joe,
The way I see it, MoQ describes how to place Value ahead of the subject object point of view.  In other words, rather than value coming from objects in a relative fashion, objects come from Value.

In this fashion, MoQ is a denial of the premiss that a subject object relationship comes first, and This is what SOM proposes.  MoQ provides a different way to look at things.  Once this manner of looking is adopted, the actual model proposed by MoQ is inconsequential.  MoQ is a "how to" metaphysics, which prepares us, just like a driving manual prepares us to drive.  The point is to start the engine and go somewhere.

Cheers, 


Mark

On Oct 24, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Mark and All,
> 
> IMHO Moq's base is not the denial of SOM.  Moq's base is evolution which I
> perceive as indefinable/definable levels in existence  DQ/SQ.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On 10/23/12 8:00 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Joe,
>> MoQ teaches through SOM that which is not SOM.  MoQ is a classroom for the
>> real world.
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mark and All,
>>> 
>>> Logic and Evolution!  If MOQ utilizes the tools of SOM it is SOM logic.
>>> Pirsig envisions a different logic embracing an indefinable DQ with
>>> definable SQ reality.  In SOM S is definable and O is definable.  MOQ uses
>>> different tools from SOM.
>>> 
>>> IMHO the first tool of MOQ is evolution DQ/SQ, indefinable, definable
>>> reality as levels in existence.
>>> 
>>> The door to existence is opened wider by indefinable experience that SOM
>>> cannot tolerate.
>>> 
>>> Joe 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/22/12 7:51 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Joe, 
>>>> I find the analogy that DQ as creativity, and SQ as that created useful for
>>>> presenting Quality.  I believe this falls within your presentation of
>>>> Quality.
>>>> 
>>>> MoQ utilizes the tools of SOM because it must objectivize reality in order
>>>> to
>>>> discuss it.  I prefer to see MoQ as a pair of glasses.  Put them on and
>>>> marvel
>>>> at existence.  Quality is a positive view.  It does away with the
>>>> battlefield
>>>> of the objective and relative world.  It provides a world of ever becoming.
>>>> 
>>>> I appreciate your contributions.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 22, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Mark and All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> DQ indefinable. SQ definable. Strange bedfellows in reality.
>>>>> Indefinable/Definable equals 1?  IMHO  MOQ Metaphysics is not SOM
>>>>> mathematics S/O.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/21/12 1:31 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If we use DQ and SQ as variables, a system of homeostasis would
>>>>>> be described where the divisional form of this equation always equals 1.
>>>>>> Therefore, as DQ increases so must SQ.
>>>>> 
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