[MD] social engagement

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Hi Marsha,
Thanks for the link, I will give it a listen while I am driving to work.  I
do have a comment at the end of your post which may be of interest to you.

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 11:00 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
>
> >> Greetings Mark and all,
> >>
> >> I would like to say a few more words about this lecture because I want
> everyone to watch it for some important MoQ reasons.  In this talk, David
> Loy traces the intellectual concern for social justice, and the
> understanding that humans can restructure society to make it better, back
> to the Greeks, and makes it a fundamental of the West intellectual
> point-of-view.  He suggests that before that society was understood to be
> "the nature of things".  Loy seems to point to a clear division between the
> social level and the intellectual level which does not include "the East."
>  I think the talk offers import considerations when defining the
> intellectual level and differentiating it from the social level, and also
> offers some strongly worded flaws in its development.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1e7Zysfkj0
> >>
>  >> Hi Mark,
> >>
> >>
> >> I think the title is self explanatory.  Rather than offer a synopsis,
> David Loy presented a bit of a quote by Gary Snyder written sixty years ago:
> >>
> >> "The mercy of the West has been social revolution; the mercy of the
> East has been individual insight into the basic self/void. We need both.
> They are both contained in the traditional three aspects of the Dharma
> path: wisdom (prajna), meditation (dhyana), and morality (sila). Wisdom is
> intuitive knowledge of the mind of love and clarity that lies beneath one’s
> ego-driven anxieties and aggressions. Meditation is going into the mind to
> see this for yourself — over and over again, until it becomes the mind you
> live in. Morality is bringing it back out in the way you live, through
> personal example and responsible action, ultimately toward the true
> community of “all beings.”"
> >>
> >>
> >> Marsha
>
> Since in this forum we are discussing a metaphysics devoted to Quality, I
thought I would try to draw some relationship between your quote and MOQ.

If we take a view through the thought pattern which encompasses the Dharma
path as presented above, I believe there are some connections.  The way I
have been trying to explain Truth is similar to "wisdom".  This would be
the intuitive knowledge that presents a place from which we can start our
patterning.  Meditation is akin to SQ, in that we create patterns through
thought.  That is, we "see" something.

"Going into the mind" does not make sense to me from a Quality perspective,
since this creates a separation between "one who is going in", and "the
mind".  I am not sure how one separates the two.

As we know, Morality is not simply a human endeavor, but something that is
inherent in everything.  As humans, we express the "human variety" of
Morality.  At its core, this expression is no different to a photon's.  By
"by bringing it back out" we have the permutations of DQ, as it happens.

As we know, Pirsig did not try to encapsulate the great body of work
devoted to Zen.  But he does present parallels between his Quality, and the
Zen tradition.  More so in ZAMM than in Lila, the latter being one which
tries to explain Quality using standard Western modes of inquiry.  In the
East there is little class movement, except that which is Western in
tradition.  At the begining of the video (all I have watched so far, the
speaker seems positive about the mixing of both traditions.  He would claim
that a better mixing would happen if the East came West, rather than the
West going East.  Presumably due to cultural values.  The implication is
that the West is ready for change much more than the East.

In the West, we tend to divorce ourselves from the natural flow of
existence by creating huge amounts of Static Quality.  As I have presented
previously, the written word is highly static and bewitching.  The spoken
word is entirely different.  Our society seems to be going faster into the
dominance of the written word.  What is being lost are the traditional
face-to-face engagements which used to dominate a society.  Because of
this, society is becoming devoid of personality, texting is replacing
talking.  Many people feel more comfortable texting or discussing things
via computer than talking face-to-face.

Here we have two computers talking to each other.  There is no affect to
the written word except what the reader puts into it.  There is no
intonation which makes up 75% of a conversation.  This leads to
misunderstanding as we see so often in this forum.  The written word has
brought us into an increasingly static state, where we present quotes
without affect.  Depending on how the author said the quote, makes all the
difference.  This is why watching a speaker is infinitely more educational
than reading a writer.  I wonder what Buddhism would bring to this dilemma.
 As  you know Buddha refused to write anything down, and for good reason
(of course Socrates and Jesus did the same thing).

I am curious how you see the video relating to MOQ.

Thanks,
Mark

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