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[MarshaV]

Hi Mark,


On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:04 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> My "presupposing" is that we create meaning.  You do not have to agree with
> this.  The search for meaning is meaningless so far as I am concerned.  It
> is not like "meaning" is hiding under a rock or anything.  Does this make
> sense?

You asked where I "find" meaning?  What do you mean by 'meaning'?  What type of 'meaning' do you expect me to find?  The MoQ is about Value(Dynamic/static); why should I expect to find 'meaning'?  


> MoQ is about a presentation of Quality in metaphysical terms.  

Than what is 'meaning'?


> As such, it only has the meaning we create in it.  

Is 'meaning' more real than Quality?


> I am not sure what your purpose is, but I would like to think it to
> be divine.  

You think my purpose might be to be divine as opposed to being mundane?  Or you think my purpose might be to be divine as opposed to being all that is non-divine?  I suppose you want the truth?  -  I am interested in static (patterned) quality?


> Without your purpose, none of all this would be like it is.  Everything plays a part.

Why shouldn't I think that "purpose" isn't one more pattern which values its own purpose?


> Cheers,
> Mark

Do you like my questions?


Marsha 



> 
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Isn't there some presupposing going on here?  What do you mean by
>> 'meaning'?  What type of meaning do you expect me to be searching for?
>> The MoQ is about Quality(Dynamic/static); why should I search for
>> 'meaning'?  What next?  A Divine purpose?
>> 
>> Life is thus; I prefer to recognize Quality.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 12:30 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha,
>>> Yes, but that was just an analogy.  Where do you find the meaning?
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:33 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> The last time that I checked, meaningless was not included in the
>>>> definition of analogy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:51 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Now Marsha, my dear,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no intention of wiping out everyone else's.  Multiple realities
>>>> can
>>>>> all exist side by side.  All I present are my views of reality through
>>>> the
>>>>> paradigm of Quality.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If everything is analogy, then the word analogy has no meaning, since
>>>>> everything being analogy is just an analogy.  Like a snake eating its
>> own
>>>>> tail it is a hopeless paradox which I do not think gets anywhere.
>>>> Perhaps
>>>>> that is the purpose, not to get anywhere.  Like dancing on a dance
>> floor,
>>>>> there is nowhere to go.  Pretty existentialist, I might add.  That all
>> is
>>>>> analogy is at the core of Existentialism.  Meaning has no meaning, as
>> it
>>>>> were.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:41 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sure Mark, as you wipe out everyone else's.   It's all analogy, every
>>>> last
>>>>>> bit of it, even yours.  Don't you just love the dance?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I take going into the mind to mean introspection (meditation), where
>> one
>>>>>> actually watches thoughts come and go.  One gets to see firsthand the
>>>>>> nature of the little static tyrants.   If you're needing a quote to
>>>> justify
>>>>>> the practice from a MoQ perspective:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>> I wouldn't call them tyrants unless one is sufferring. Buddhism assumes
>>>>> that people are sufferring and want to escape.  I guess Buddhism works
>>>> for
>>>>> those people.  There are plenty of ways to escape though.  If you are
>>>>> sufferring, try Buddhism first, then maybe an aspirin.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Meditation is setting your thoughts free.  They do not belong to you,
>>>> they
>>>>> cannot affect you.  They are just thoughts that your brain creates.
>> Just
>>>>> ignore them, there are more important things.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from
>>>> experience
>>>>>> but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing,
>>>>>> static, intellectual attachments of the past. "
>>>>>>        (LILA, Chapter 9)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And no, and I cannot turn my awareness towards the watcher so I will
>> not
>>>>>> speculate in that direction.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>> I suppose Pirsig knows a lot about mystic meditation, so he can be an
>>>>> expert on that subject.  I believe every word he utters on the subject
>> of
>>>>> mystic meditation; he is a world renouned mystic, rated in the top ten
>> of
>>>>> mystics of all times.  He writes often of his mystical experiences in
>>>>> several journals, and is invited to speak often on the subject of
>> mystic
>>>>> meditation.  I would dare say that he has a black belt in mystic
>>>> meditation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now that I have read the quote, I can't help but believe that mystic
>>>>> meditation is exactly as he puts it.  I would never have guessed that
>> the
>>>>> Truth could be so simple.  Thank you so much for that enlightenment,
>> and
>>>>> let me know something else that Pirsig has written, to guide me along.
>>>>> I'll find a quote in Lila about something else, that you must believe,
>>>>> because Pirsig wrote it.  You can thank me then!
>>>>> 
>>>>> ha, ha, ha, another rogue wave!  What power I have!  I am God!
>>>>> Mark
>>