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Hi Marsha,
My "presupposing" is that we create meaning.  You do not have to agree with
this.  The search for meaning is meaningless so far as I am concerned.  It
is not like "meaning" is hiding under a rock or anything.  Does this make
sense?

MoQ is about a presentation of Quality in metaphysical terms.  As such, it
only has the meaning we create in it.  I am not sure what your purpose is,
but I would like to think it to be divine.  Without your purpose, none of
all this woud be like it is.  Everything plays a part.

Cheers,
Mark

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> Mark,
>
> Isn't there some presupposing going on here?  What do you mean by
> 'meaning'?  What type of meaning do you expect me to be searching for?
> The MoQ is about Quality(Dynamic/static); why should I search for
> 'meaning'?  What next?  A Divine purpose?
>
> Life is thus; I prefer to recognize Quality.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2012, at 12:30 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Marsha,
> > Yes, but that was just an analogy.  Where do you find the meaning?
> > Mark
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:33 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> The last time that I checked, meaningless was not included in the
> >> definition of analogy.
> >>
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:51 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Now Marsha, my dear,
> >>>
> >>> I have no intention of wiping out everyone else's.  Multiple realities
> >> can
> >>> all exist side by side.  All I present are my views of reality through
> >> the
> >>> paradigm of Quality.
> >>>
> >>> If everything is analogy, then the word analogy has no meaning, since
> >>> everything being analogy is just an analogy.  Like a snake eating its
> own
> >>> tail it is a hopeless paradox which I do not think gets anywhere.
> >> Perhaps
> >>> that is the purpose, not to get anywhere.  Like dancing on a dance
> floor,
> >>> there is nowhere to go.  Pretty existentialist, I might add.  That all
> is
> >>> analogy is at the core of Existentialism.  Meaning has no meaning, as
> it
> >>> were.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:41 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sure Mark, as you wipe out everyone else's.   It's all analogy, every
> >> last
> >>>> bit of it, even yours.  Don't you just love the dance?
> >>>>
> >>>> I take going into the mind to mean introspection (meditation), where
> one
> >>>> actually watches thoughts come and go.  One gets to see firsthand the
> >>>> nature of the little static tyrants.   If you're needing a quote to
> >> justify
> >>>> the practice from a MoQ perspective:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark:
> >>> I wouldn't call them tyrants unless one is sufferring. Buddhism assumes
> >>> that people are sufferring and want to escape.  I guess Buddhism works
> >> for
> >>> those people.  There are plenty of ways to escape though.  If you are
> >>> sufferring, try Buddhism first, then maybe an aspirin.
> >>>
> >>> Meditation is setting your thoughts free.  They do not belong to you,
> >> they
> >>> cannot affect you.  They are just thoughts that your brain creates.
>  Just
> >>> ignore them, there are more important things.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from
> >> experience
> >>>> but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing,
> >>>> static, intellectual attachments of the past. "
> >>>>         (LILA, Chapter 9)
> >>>>
> >>>> And no, and I cannot turn my awareness towards the watcher so I will
> not
> >>>> speculate in that direction.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark:
> >>> I suppose Pirsig knows a lot about mystic meditation, so he can be an
> >>> expert on that subject.  I believe every word he utters on the subject
> of
> >>> mystic meditation; he is a world renouned mystic, rated in the top ten
> of
> >>> mystics of all times.  He writes often of his mystical experiences in
> >>> several journals, and is invited to speak often on the subject of
> mystic
> >>> meditation.  I would dare say that he has a black belt in mystic
> >> meditation.
> >>>
> >>> Now that I have read the quote, I can't help but believe that mystic
> >>> meditation is exactly as he puts it.  I would never have guessed that
> the
> >>> Truth could be so simple.  Thank you so much for that enlightenment,
> and
> >>> let me know something else that Pirsig has written, to guide me along.
> >>> I'll find a quote in Lila about something else, that you must believe,
> >>> because Pirsig wrote it.  You can thank me then!
> >>>
> >>> ha, ha, ha, another rogue wave!  What power I have!  I am God!
> >>> Mark
> >>
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