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[MarshaV]

Mark,

Isn't there some presupposing going on here?  What do you mean by 'meaning'?  What type of meaning do you expect me to be searching for?   The MoQ is about Quality(Dynamic/static); why should I search for 'meaning'?  What next?  A Divine purpose?   

Life is thus; I prefer to recognize Quality.  


Marsha



On Sep 26, 2012, at 12:30 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marsha,
> Yes, but that was just an analogy.  Where do you find the meaning?
> Mark
> 
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:33 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> The last time that I checked, meaningless was not included in the
>> definition of analogy.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:51 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Now Marsha, my dear,
>>> 
>>> I have no intention of wiping out everyone else's.  Multiple realities
>> can
>>> all exist side by side.  All I present are my views of reality through
>> the
>>> paradigm of Quality.
>>> 
>>> If everything is analogy, then the word analogy has no meaning, since
>>> everything being analogy is just an analogy.  Like a snake eating its own
>>> tail it is a hopeless paradox which I do not think gets anywhere.
>> Perhaps
>>> that is the purpose, not to get anywhere.  Like dancing on a dance floor,
>>> there is nowhere to go.  Pretty existentialist, I might add.  That all is
>>> analogy is at the core of Existentialism.  Meaning has no meaning, as it
>>> were.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:41 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sure Mark, as you wipe out everyone else's.   It's all analogy, every
>> last
>>>> bit of it, even yours.  Don't you just love the dance?
>>>> 
>>>> I take going into the mind to mean introspection (meditation), where one
>>>> actually watches thoughts come and go.  One gets to see firsthand the
>>>> nature of the little static tyrants.   If you're needing a quote to
>> justify
>>>> the practice from a MoQ perspective:
>>>> 
>>>> Mark:
>>> I wouldn't call them tyrants unless one is sufferring. Buddhism assumes
>>> that people are sufferring and want to escape.  I guess Buddhism works
>> for
>>> those people.  There are plenty of ways to escape though.  If you are
>>> sufferring, try Buddhism first, then maybe an aspirin.
>>> 
>>> Meditation is setting your thoughts free.  They do not belong to you,
>> they
>>> cannot affect you.  They are just thoughts that your brain creates.  Just
>>> ignore them, there are more important things.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from
>> experience
>>>> but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing,
>>>> static, intellectual attachments of the past. "
>>>>         (LILA, Chapter 9)
>>>> 
>>>> And no, and I cannot turn my awareness towards the watcher so I will not
>>>> speculate in that direction.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark:
>>> I suppose Pirsig knows a lot about mystic meditation, so he can be an
>>> expert on that subject.  I believe every word he utters on the subject of
>>> mystic meditation; he is a world renouned mystic, rated in the top ten of
>>> mystics of all times.  He writes often of his mystical experiences in
>>> several journals, and is invited to speak often on the subject of mystic
>>> meditation.  I would dare say that he has a black belt in mystic
>> meditation.
>>> 
>>> Now that I have read the quote, I can't help but believe that mystic
>>> meditation is exactly as he puts it.  I would never have guessed that the
>>> Truth could be so simple.  Thank you so much for that enlightenment, and
>>> let me know something else that Pirsig has written, to guide me along.
>>> I'll find a quote in Lila about something else, that you must believe,
>>> because Pirsig wrote it.  You can thank me then!
>>> 
>>> ha, ha, ha, another rogue wave!  What power I have!  I am God!
>>> Mark
>>