[MD] DQ/sq as WATER/ice

[Jan-Anders Andersson]

Hello Joe

Honestly, I don't understand much of what you are writing and my pedagogic talent is close to zero. How do you choose your words?

Jan Anders

1 apr 2013 kl. 22:01 skrev Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net>:

> Hi MarshaV and All,
> 
> The discussion embraces the path to knowledge without the analysis of the
> theory of knowledge.  The logic of mathematics, defined experience, cannot
> logically validate indefinable emotions DQ/SQ.
> 
> The SOM metaphysical suggestion of abstraction as the value of knowledge is
> indefensible.  Knowledge is direct experience.
> 
> How does a theory of knowledge incorporate direct experience in definition?
> Pirsig suggests that a sentient being perceives DQ/SQ.  DQ is indefinable
> direct experience.  SQ is definable direct experience.
> 
> The metaphysical description is DQ/SQ.  The structure for experience is
> DQ/SQ.  What separates DQ/SQ as the description of reality?  DQ is
> indefinable, SQ is definable.
> 
> Understanding MOQ, the metaphysics of describing indefinable/definable
> reality, can be somewhat vague.
> 
> DQ, indefinable, is not necessarily coupled to definable SQ in evolution!
> It can stand alone, indefinable reality.   DQ/SQ tweaks the theory of
> knowledge to a more complex metaphysical definable/indefinable structure in
> direct experience.
> 
> IMHO Joe  
> 
> 
> On 4/1/13 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Joe,
>> 
>> Directly experiencing DQ is directly realizing that there is nothing (nothing
>> divisible, definable and knowable) persisting from moment to moment.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 31, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha V, and All,
>>> 
>>> Fundamental nature needs some consideration in DQ/SQ metaphysics.  If
>>> something is indefinable, there must be some congruent indefinable way to
>>> perceive it.  I call that perception  DQ.  The conceivable conception is
>>> definable SQ.
>>> 
>>> Jode
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/29/13 12:38 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Joe,
>>>> 
>>>> I understand the fundamental nature of static quality (determinate) to be
>>>> Dynamic Quality (indeterminate).  With this being a good analogy of that
>>>> relationship.
>>>> 
>>>> "Water is distinct from ice, but in the ice cube it is present: not as a fly
>>>> might be trapped there, but _in the very ice_.  And yet when the ice cube is
>>>> gone, the water remains.  Although we see water as ice, we do so not because
>>>> it is there separately, to be seen from behind or apart from the cube."
>>>> 
>>>>      (Iain McGilchrist, 'The MASTER and his EMISSARY:
>>>>             The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World', p.
>>>> 452). 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi MarshaV and All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am confused!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you view dynamic (indefinable) quality and static (definable) quality as
>>>>> having the same fundamental nature and only a difference in time or
>>>>> location
>>>>> for definition?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I observe a value in the definition of perception (individual) as different
>>>>> from the definition of the conception of creation or evolution.
>>>>> 
>>>>> IMHO 
>>>>> Metaphysical DQ/SQ makes possible an evolution of levels in existence.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/28/13 8:53 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> For me, this is a good analogy for 'the fundamental nature of static
>>>>>> quality
>>>>>> is Dynamic Quality.'
>> 
>> 
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