[MD] DQ/sq as WATER/ice

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Jan-Anders Anderson,

I try to be open so the words can choose me so to speak!

Joe


On 4/1/13 1:07 PM, "Jan-Anders Andersson" <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:

> Hello Joe
> 
> Honestly, I don't understand much of what you are writing and my pedagogic
> talent is close to zero. How do you choose your words?
> 
> Jan Anders
> 
> 1 apr 2013 kl. 22:01 skrev Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net>:
> 
>> Hi MarshaV and All,
>> 
>> The discussion embraces the path to knowledge without the analysis of the
>> theory of knowledge.  The logic of mathematics, defined experience, cannot
>> logically validate indefinable emotions DQ/SQ.
>> 
>> The SOM metaphysical suggestion of abstraction as the value of knowledge is
>> indefensible.  Knowledge is direct experience.
>> 
>> How does a theory of knowledge incorporate direct experience in definition?
>> Pirsig suggests that a sentient being perceives DQ/SQ.  DQ is indefinable
>> direct experience.  SQ is definable direct experience.
>> 
>> The metaphysical description is DQ/SQ.  The structure for experience is
>> DQ/SQ.  What separates DQ/SQ as the description of reality?  DQ is
>> indefinable, SQ is definable.
>> 
>> Understanding MOQ, the metaphysics of describing indefinable/definable
>> reality, can be somewhat vague.
>> 
>> DQ, indefinable, is not necessarily coupled to definable SQ in evolution!
>> It can stand alone, indefinable reality.   DQ/SQ tweaks the theory of
>> knowledge to a more complex metaphysical definable/indefinable structure in
>> direct experience.
>> 
>> IMHO Joe  
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/1/13 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe,
>>> 
>>> Directly experiencing DQ is directly realizing that there is nothing
>>> (nothing
>>> divisible, definable and knowable) persisting from moment to moment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Marsha V, and All,
>>>> 
>>>> Fundamental nature needs some consideration in DQ/SQ metaphysics.  If
>>>> something is indefinable, there must be some congruent indefinable way to
>>>> perceive it.  I call that perception  DQ.  The conceivable conception is
>>>> definable SQ.
>>>> 
>>>> Jode
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/29/13 12:38 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Joe,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understand the fundamental nature of static quality (determinate) to be
>>>>> Dynamic Quality (indeterminate).  With this being a good analogy of that
>>>>> relationship.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Water is distinct from ice, but in the ice cube it is present: not as a
>>>>> fly
>>>>> might be trapped there, but _in the very ice_.  And yet when the ice cube
>>>>> is
>>>>> gone, the water remains.  Although we see water as ice, we do so not
>>>>> because
>>>>> it is there separately, to be seen from behind or apart from the cube."
>>>>> 
>>>>>      (Iain McGilchrist, 'The MASTER and his EMISSARY:
>>>>>             The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World', p.
>>>>> 452). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 28, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi MarshaV and All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am confused!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you view dynamic (indefinable) quality and static (definable) quality
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> having the same fundamental nature and only a difference in time or
>>>>>> location
>>>>>> for definition?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I observe a value in the definition of perception (individual) as
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> from the definition of the conception of creation or evolution.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> IMHO 
>>>>>> Metaphysical DQ/SQ makes possible an evolution of levels in existence.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/28/13 8:53 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For me, this is a good analogy for 'the fundamental nature of static
>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>> is Dynamic Quality.'
>>> 
>>> 
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