[MD] DQ/sq as WATER/ice

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi MarshaV and All,

I do not know what you mean by indeterminate?  Indefinable, definable, noun,
adjective, adverb etc?  I agree that a theory of knowledge by abstraction
like SOM is not logical.

Direct experience, DQ, requires that I tweak my theory of knowledge to the
acceptance of definable/indefinable reality existing in consciousness.

IMHO indefinable is a negation of accepted existence in SOM.  MOQ accepts
DQ/SQ so I tweak psychology and suggest that indefinable DQ exists in the
individuality of a self-conscious individual.  And away we go!

Joe 


On 4/2/13 12:07 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> Joe,
> 
> DQ
> is 
> indeterminate.  
> IMHO.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi MarshaV and All,
>> 
>> The discussion embraces the path to knowledge without the analysis of the
>> theory of knowledge.  The logic of mathematics, defined experience, cannot
>> logically validate indefinable emotions DQ/SQ.
>> 
>> The SOM metaphysical suggestion of abstraction as the value of knowledge is
>> indefensible.  Knowledge is direct experience.
>> 
>> How does a theory of knowledge incorporate direct experience in definition?
>> Pirsig suggests that a sentient being perceives DQ/SQ.  DQ is indefinable
>> direct experience.  SQ is definable direct experience.
>> 
>> The metaphysical description is DQ/SQ.  The structure for experience is
>> DQ/SQ.  What separates DQ/SQ as the description of reality?  DQ is
>> indefinable, SQ is definable.
>> 
>> Understanding MOQ, the metaphysics of describing indefinable/definable
>> reality, can be somewhat vague.
>> 
>> DQ, indefinable, is not necessarily coupled to definable SQ in evolution!
>> It can stand alone, indefinable reality.   DQ/SQ tweaks the theory of
>> knowledge to a more complex metaphysical definable/indefinable structure in
>> direct experience.
>> 
>> IMHO Joe  
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/1/13 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe,
>>> 
>>> Directly experiencing DQ is directly realizing that there is nothing
>>> (nothing
>>> divisible, definable and knowable) persisting from moment to moment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> snip...   
>>>> 
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