[MD] perceptions

[MarshaV]

Hey Joe,

Hmmmm.  Directly perceiving Dynamic Quality, seems to me, makes all "things" and even patterns false: illusions and phantoms (ghosts).  That does not translate into meaningless. Patterns exist as value.      


Marsha, 
      with echo in head "Marsha, you think too much!"
 
 


On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:21 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
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> Yes, unknowable in the sense that there is a known and knower, so not "conceptually knowable." How about known through direct perception?  I have stated that DQ can be directly experienced and known like one knows the tea is hot when one is drinking it.  Can this be true?  Problem is that I can directly perceive, in such a manner, that there is a coiled snake ahead of me in the road, only to find out later that such certainty was unfounded and what I experienced was merely a coiled rope.  On discovering that what I was seeing was, indeed, a coiled rope, what I do know with certainty was that it was NOT a coiled snake.  This is why I accept the idea that the best way to discover Truth is by discovering what is false. 
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> But having written the above, I will leave the issue open for further investigation.  Perhaps Steve Hagen's book will offer some insight on the subject of perceptions.   
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> Marsha 
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> On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
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>> Hi MarshaV and All,
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>> I have no sense of what you mean by "unknowable" DQ?  Unknowable is not the
>> same as indefinable in DQ (indefinable) SQ (definable) metaphysics.
>> "Unknowable" means a barrier to the contact of the faculty for knowledge.
>> Indefinable accepts a direct contact in consciousness without language.
>> "What was that?"  DQ!
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>> Joe
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>> On 4/2/13 5:31 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> DQ is "indivisible, undefinable & unknowable"; the term 'indivisible' pointing
>>> to monism, non-dualistic: indeterminate.  
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