[MD] perceptions

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

It also translates nice as reality is alway partly illusive and all
illusions are partly real
hello Marsha
Adrie


2013/4/6 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>

>
> Hey Joe,
>
> Hmmmm.  Directly perceiving Dynamic Quality, seems to me, makes all
> "things" and even patterns false: illusions and phantoms (ghosts).  That
> does not translate into meaningless. Patterns exist as value.
>
>
> Marsha,
>       with echo in head "Marsha, you think too much!"
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:21 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> >
> > Yes, unknowable in the sense that there is a known and knower, so not
> "conceptually knowable." How about known through direct perception?  I have
> stated that DQ can be directly experienced and known like one knows the tea
> is hot when one is drinking it.  Can this be true?  Problem is that I can
> directly perceive, in such a manner, that there is a coiled snake ahead of
> me in the road, only to find out later that such certainty was unfounded
> and what I experienced was merely a coiled rope.  On discovering that what
> I was seeing was, indeed, a coiled rope, what I do know with certainty was
> that it was NOT a coiled snake.  This is why I accept the idea that the
> best way to discover Truth is by discovering what is false.
> >
> > But having written the above, I will leave the issue open for further
> investigation.  Perhaps Steve Hagen's book will offer some insight on the
> subject of perceptions.
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
> >
> >> Hi MarshaV and All,
> >>
> >> I have no sense of what you mean by "unknowable" DQ?  Unknowable is not
> the
> >> same as indefinable in DQ (indefinable) SQ (definable) metaphysics.
> >> "Unknowable" means a barrier to the contact of the faculty for
> knowledge.
> >> Indefinable accepts a direct contact in consciousness without language.
> >> "What was that?"  DQ!
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/2/13 5:31 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> DQ is "indivisible, undefinable & unknowable"; the term 'indivisible'
> pointing
> >>> to monism, non-dualistic: indeterminate.
> >
> >
> >
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