[MD] The Tao of Quality - Verse 1

[Krimel]

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Dan Glover
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [MD] The Tao of Quality - Verse 1

Hello everyone

On Mar 11, 2013 12:55 PM, "Carrie Cisneros" <7thdzr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hi,
> I joined recently, and have been merely lurking but this stung me out 
> of
my
> seat...
>
> >
> > Dan:
> > Well, I suppose you could say that, thought you seem to be saying 
> > biological patterns are primary when you say we experience them.
> > Again, in the MOQ, experience comes first. Static quality patterns 
> > like rationality and irrationality emerge from experience. They are 
> > not pre-existing notions.
> >

>
> Dan, how is biological patterns different than plain old nature, and are
we
> so sure that there is no intellect or art in nature, and social patterning
> for goshsakes, so that it can be called just biological?

Hi Carrie

I am not exactly sure what you're asking here. The point I was attempting
to make is that in the MOQ, experience comes first. In scientific realism,
matter comes first. When someone says something like this:

[Krimel]
Biological patterns are experienced irrationally. They are unnamed.

Dan comments:

They are basically saying biological patterns come first, that they are
'out there' waiting for us to experience them. Do you see my point?

[Krimel]
Well no. What are you saying. I said nothing about priority or any such
thing in what I wrote. Any sort of patterning is experienced irrationally
but only becomes objectionable in the MoQ sense when named. I thought that
was clear in what I said. It seems that you are making a big deal out of the
naming problem which is part of what I have been trying to address here of
late.