[MD] relatively static
Jan Anders Andersson
jananderses at telia.com
Sun May 12 22:56:36 PDT 2013
Dear Marsha
I think you are interested to know its point.
J A
12 maj 2013 x kl. 23.46 skrev MarshaV:
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> J-A,
>
> Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so. It's your thought experiment, so explain its point. What are you thinking?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Marsha
>>
>> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with YES or NO.
>>
>> Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N
>>
>> Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N
>>
>> J-A
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing. In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:
>>
>>> Marsha:
>>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body with its cells constantly being replaced. Things can change - flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river.
>>
>>
>> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV:
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>>>
>>> J-A,
>>>
>>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I will consider it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well Marsha
>>>>
>>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>
>>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into another, OK?
>>>>
>>>> J-A
>>>>
>>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>
>>>>> What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is still in a state of change?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan-Anders
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did not write "still in constant change".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before (when soft and malleable), during firing, and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 9, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would please answer my last question:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change when the clay is burned? Y/N
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> J A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9 maj 2013 x kl. 09.21 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you do not familiar the process of firing clay, you might think about choosing a different example for your attempts at a thought experiment. Does your imagining clay firing stay the same?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> YES
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am confused.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change when the clay is burned?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan Anders
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 8 maj 2013 x kl. 11.34 skrev MarshaV:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> J-A,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You seem confused, so I've changed the subject line to reflect the original and more appropriate discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing. In other words, both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from experience but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing, static, intellectual attachments of the past."
>>>>>>>>>>> (LILA, Chapter 9)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “Introspective observation is what we have to rely on first and foremost and always. I regard the belief [in introspection] as the most fundamental of all the postulates of Psychology”
>>>>>>>>>>> (W. James, 1890)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>> ... snip...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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